gfrank
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... with all the co2 in New York ... there is no doubt that plants can live... for humans, instead...
Marcogeo
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apart from unrealization (a good dreamer realizes his aspirations) I believe that such solutions would prevent any form of economic interaction as well as drastically reduce the usability of places.
myface
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Why? I don't think that by renouncing cars and increasing the plants would change much the economic proceeds, also because it would become an "anomaly" submerged by tourists.
I would like to ask the Commissioner whether he is going to be able to do so.
I would like to ask the Commissioner whether he is going to be able to do so.
myface
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in this ideal city the honest citizen would live on his "garden", while the "bad" would be destined for less rewarding jobs, such as the maintenance and construction of the subway, or in the large biomass plants for the heating and electrification of the city
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biggrinMarcogeo
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as anomaly could exist (there were also the extermination camps that today are invaded by tourists) ... as a widespread system no. the ideal city in its conception cannot be a city but must (do) be a vision on which to re-found our system of social organization. I don't think that could be the answer. more could be an area in disneyland.:frown:
Of course it is my opinion that does not claim to be right or true.
Marcogeo
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as anomaly could exist (there were also the extermination camps that today are invaded by tourists) ... as a widespread system no. the ideal city in its conception cannot be a city but must (do) be a vision on which to re-found our system of social organization. I don't think that could be the answer. more could be an area in disneyland.:frown:
Of course it is my opinion that does not claim to be right or true.
myface
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I feel like your speeches of those who paint the highest mountain because they don't want to climb it. . .
I mean, why, in the present state (pm10, ozone, mood, transfusion), ask philosophical questions that remain on paper, rather than imagine more concretely how to create a better livability in urban agglomerations?
I mean, why, in the present state (pm10, ozone, mood, transfusion), ask philosophical questions that remain on paper, rather than imagine more concretely how to create a better livability in urban agglomerations?
gfrank
Guest
remaining in the specific speech of the vegetable gardens (or similar), logistic problems arise regarding the cultivation of the same, for example the fertilization of the soil, perhaps with the use of organic fertilizers; soil processing, irrigation, etc...
both those gardens and gardens were cultivated only for the purpose of embellishment or for economic recovery, management costs would be very high in a city. Who pays them?
Moreover, we must take into account vandalism, stray animals (and even non-gay animals), and we also put tourists .... .
In my opinion it is not feasible in the manner in which it is represented. Perhaps it could exist if confined and controlled, but then it would no longer be free to all ...
gfrank
Guest
... already...
- live, but also work...
- rest, but also have fun...
- have personal space, but also the company.. .
- have little traffic, but allow thousands/million people to move (velociously) in the city ....
- consume, but also dispose of waste...
- new infrastructure, but also preservation of historical heritage. . .
and away from this step...
... what can be the solution? ? ?
myface
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boh will be that I tend to see things always easy but for me it would be just to change the cement/green ratio.
the rest are solveable problems, logical that you cannot force one to live there, if you do not want.
the rest are solveable problems, logical that you cannot force one to live there, if you do not want.
gil
Guest
in my city the municipality offers the elderly a number of small gardens located in densely inhabited areas.
often they are pretty, with the wooden shed, the photovoltaic panels above, etc., however, when you grow some stuff is not that it is very nice to see yourself as an English lawn. Moreover they are the preferred oasis of mosquitoes and insects. Also when they fertilize there is bad smell. reasons for which in the past miltrose residents asked to move them, now they are always in the center, but almost all far away from the houses.
for the bikes agree, it is a means to reevaluate especially if there were ways with porches or wall tiles to protect from rain. But at least from me the cycle paths are many, but all wrong, and almost every day a cyclist is put down.
often they are pretty, with the wooden shed, the photovoltaic panels above, etc., however, when you grow some stuff is not that it is very nice to see yourself as an English lawn. Moreover they are the preferred oasis of mosquitoes and insects. Also when they fertilize there is bad smell. reasons for which in the past miltrose residents asked to move them, now they are always in the center, but almost all far away from the houses.
for the bikes agree, it is a means to reevaluate especially if there were ways with porches or wall tiles to protect from rain. But at least from me the cycle paths are many, but all wrong, and almost every day a cyclist is put down.
Marcogeo
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for you maybe yes... but how do you reconcile all other mechanisms of socio-economic organization?boh will be that I tend to see things always easy but for me it would be just to change the cement/green ratio.
the rest are solveable problems, logical that you cannot force one to live there, if you do not want.
myface
Guest
What do you mean, transport?
Marcogeo
Guest
That's the last problem. if we had to return to a pastoral agro world the last place where I would try to make agriculture and shepherdhood would be the cities. You can't think of a livelihood economy like that. Who pays the energy? Who pays the services? Who pays to eat?
in today's world those you see in those renderings would only be assisted persons with the task of making appearances on a set.
gfrank
Guest
depends on the type of green. if it is meadows and trees, all in all problems I do not see, or better are referred to only cutting grass and maintenance of plants ....
if we talk about another kind of green, as somewhere I saw the planting of flower beds, after the first life of the plant you see only land, other than flowers...
or, if the "automatic" irrigation system (famous black pipes with holes) still works, you can see the "beautiful plants/herbs" of season ....
Are you sure?the rest are solveable problems, logical that you cannot force one to live there, if you do not want.
to date, turning around the city, except for some particular "garden" in all the normal "green" that is seen in the parks, you can not say that it is "curated" adequately ....
will be the fault of the crisis, for which the pa do the maintenance of the green with 2/3 cuts in a year, or the inhabitants who do not respect it, but to today the green in the city is a problem....
Unfortunately the problem is that the "citizens", as I told you above, want everything at hand...
know the story of those who buy houses:
- near the airport and then complain about the noise.. .
- close under the ring road/roads and then complain about the noise.. .
- near the railway or highway and then complain about the noise.. .
- near the disco and then complain about the noise...
if instead the houses buy them in the villages, tranquelle and without noise:
- complain because every day they have to stay 3 hours by train to go /go back from work.. .
- complain because they have to stay 2 hours in the car to go back from work.. .
- they complain because in the country there is not a great deal of social life/diversity and for having them must return to the city where they are all day to work...
...continuous? ? ?
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gil
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definition of track in my city
cycle track: place of space without clear and definable limits, usually announced by a special road sign and with countless small interutions in co-responendence of the crossings, the crossings, the parking spaces, garages etc. etc. is used promiscuously by pedestrians, such as parking, preferential fast path for mopeds and sometimes even by bicycles.
cycle track: place of space without clear and definable limits, usually announced by a special road sign and with countless small interutions in co-responendence of the crossings, the crossings, the parking spaces, garages etc. etc. is used promiscuously by pedestrians, such as parking, preferential fast path for mopeds and sometimes even by bicycles.
myface
Guest
you all want to live in the city though with the tranquility and air that breathe in the countryside... and it is precisely this dream that pushes urbanists and architects to devise something that is not present today.
we say that in the city there are no factories but only trade and tertiary, then today already there are technologies to build zero impact buildings or down there, and this would make decimate the pollution due to the processes of air conditioning.
the factor critic are the transports: the car with its discharges and its rubbers produces carbon dioxide, thin dusts and the rest, then in this green city you should circulate on the surface only with bicycles and small electric traction vehicles, which would still serve only to connect with the nearest metro station.
all systems to limit the need for mobility would be encouraged: for example telework, production at km 0, car-sharing etc.
the city would be surrounded by large parking spaces (connected to the metro) for those who, unfortunately, still need to move out of town daily.
It is clear that the aspiring inhabitant of such a city is more available to give up the car (at the bottom what it does?) than all those who do not sleep if they do not have the suv inside the garage under the house.:rolleys:
no fear anyway: to all those always remain traditional cities
we say that in the city there are no factories but only trade and tertiary, then today already there are technologies to build zero impact buildings or down there, and this would make decimate the pollution due to the processes of air conditioning.
the factor critic are the transports: the car with its discharges and its rubbers produces carbon dioxide, thin dusts and the rest, then in this green city you should circulate on the surface only with bicycles and small electric traction vehicles, which would still serve only to connect with the nearest metro station.
all systems to limit the need for mobility would be encouraged: for example telework, production at km 0, car-sharing etc.
the city would be surrounded by large parking spaces (connected to the metro) for those who, unfortunately, still need to move out of town daily.
It is clear that the aspiring inhabitant of such a city is more available to give up the car (at the bottom what it does?) than all those who do not sleep if they do not have the suv inside the garage under the house.:rolleys:
no fear anyway: to all those always remain traditional cities
gfrank
Guest
has been introduced the new pgt (ex prg - municipal regulator plan) of milan, which, apparently has collected the indications of myface.
Let's see if it works...
Let's see if it works...