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[Ydesigner]

kind king and kti talked to the supplier of

dbworks
dbcent
♪

and the first technical evaluation deals with swepdm.
I'll give you some re-evaluation!

n.b.: in this company it seems to me that they are not all agree with a pdm...already it was a step forward to evaluate these 3...and I have a month all the time, as an unpaid student, to obtain a result of useful analysis, but by force incomplete, not being able to speak with all the suppliers I would like to

Try to do the best, with what you have!

 

[re_solidworks]

All right, all right. the choice of not even wanting to "see for free" a product to evaluate it is questionable, but nothing would come in my pocket. We only spent no time discussing a product that is not even considered. ...

however good choice (as far as possible). ....

 

[Ydesigner]

We don't understand!

I have not chosen nullla, and to my request to see also the product of the readysolution has been replied that for now we are happy so....
an analysis of 3 products, of the same supplier is unrealistic, but I highly hope that those who will have to decide also take into account other products indicated (see readysolution and the kti program).

 

[Ydesigner]

I am still addressing this forum to hear your opinion on the possible disadvantages arising from the adoption of a pdm system: if it is true that it is not all gold that glitters, the question is what disadvantages can arise from a pdm in a regimen system? ?

in my reasoning I have cleared the difficulties of implementation, that is, costs, dead times, reticence of users, etc.

but at regime, assuming that they have passed the initial phase, what problems can there be? I hope I've been clear.

Thank you.

 

[stef_design]

support for multi-sede design: supports it and I'm using it, you have to understand if the mechanism you like. using a single database and collating through vpn or other systems...believe is not the maximum, nor in terms of waiting time (depends by adsl lines that are not always performing).

hi re_solidwork, explain to me better how the "multisede design works".
For example, you work in another company while your pc in the office is access. using a vpn program (think you use teamviewer) you connect to your pc. Right? ?

 

[re_solidworks]

hi re_solidwork, explain to me better how the "multisede design works".
For example, you work in another company while your pc in the office is access. using a vpn program (think you use teamviewer) you connect to your pc. Right? ?

It is not so, I have teamviewer but I use it for other tasks and I do not connect in vpn also because in many companies (but not in my case) the connection in vpn of external studies is not tolerated. to allow a link in vpn there must be maximum confidence and this would prevent new collaborations.
I actually have a local database that dialogues with the database from my client.
cad files are local from me until I decide to sync everything.

 

[KTI]

ydesigner there are no disadvantages in adopting a plm or pdm that either, depends on how the product is made.
by definition a plm must only be an interface that allows dialogue between different worlds facilitating the vision and management of all data of sources other than a single interface. In this way you can't have any networks because the data remains owners of the various systems, the interface only allows you to see and manage them together.

 

[re_solidworks]

I think like kti. if the system is valid and above all well implemented, there are no disadvantages.

 

[Ydesigner]

re_solidworks and kti, fully agreed.

that is what comes from my analysis, a lot of advantages and no disadvantage in substance, if obviously all the implementation procedure is excluded.

for re_solidworks:ready2works works through database synchronization you said, but the mechanism only works if even your external collaborator has it ready? ?

and other thing, why do you think the vault is not a good solution, especially if the designers then work with a local copy?

Have a good day!

 

[KTI]

...., if you obviously exclude all the implementation procedure.

if the product does what I explained to you in the previous message, you have no implementation procedure, but only a "order" of the data to produce, in fact, the product card, the rest is "almost" by itself...

 

[Ydesigner]

Well let's say it's not exactly that painless; a pdm has methodologies and rules to be followed in order to manage all data and interfaces, therefore excluding a moment the initial investment, the period that passes between the conversion decision to the pdm, up to the maximum operation of the user is not so fast in my opinion, with all the use of necessary resources!

Moreover it is worth considering if a pdm tool removes flexibility to design.

I explain better: if in a company you produce many drawing components, the possibility that a repeat order is quite low, so there is the risk that you use more time to put in order all parts and attributes of a new project rather than work freely copy paste etc. (which is obviously a method with large gaps).

 

[KTI]

the only time you have to lose is to create the interface, that is the product card. that entity that allows to group different data and to have them all underhanded together when needed.

I'll give you an example:
suppose to be a company that produces 1 middle article in ergal and half carbon, in three versions, sold to 5 customers with processing carried out by 2 suppliers based on the material. the project consists of 3 cad drawings, a gcode drawing for processing, a series of images for presentations, a price list, and a word document with notes.
Of course to complicate our life we say that the drawings fall to, the lists and the presentations the guy b and the files of the work are of the type c while d manages the sales and the graphic customers.

supposed to produce 1000 of these articles

you have two possibilities:
1.
make a nice meeting with a, b, c, where everyone brings their own documents and discusses with others about how to get
2.
go from the secretary that we will call "e" that must create a product card (via plm) telling the card itself that the project is formed by the data of a, those of b, those of c and those of d and that according to the data of d that is what manages the customers and the data of b that manages the lists and therefore the costs is also able to choose the best suppliers and then calculate in the best way the final price.

end

suppose, after 3 months of having to produce another 1000 pieces.

according to the first option you should make a meeting with a, b, c and d, see if the documents are there all or on the street you are lost qaulcosa, review the costs etc.

or simply enter plm, recall the product sheet and create for customers the distinct and the production order for the pieces you want to do and maybe evaluate according to customers who have already purchased the article to make a new purchase proposal.......

according to you: it is worth losing a few minutes to create a product card and then use a plm?

It is clear that those who plan will continue to do it in their own environment, those who make the lists in their own and so on....

I made the first banal example that came to mind, I hope I can take your doubts off.

for the record: I just sold a "turnkey" solution to a small company that does exactly what I explained to you in the example. the competitor had an open source solution......they chose me because the confidence gained with patience in explanations is the most useful tool in the world. . : )

 

[Ydesigner]

we say instead that every time an order comes there are parts to change of a standard project, or even worse solutions to design ad hoc, how do you manage every time a different product card? ?

becomes an exaggerated time use!

 

[KTI]

managing the revisions.......... .

 

[Ydesigner]

in this company is managed substantially new projects, i.e. in practice it is more common to start a design from 0, or to change it heavily an existing one, so it is not enough to manage the projects with revisions

 

[KTI]

mah, do as you want, everyone is free to manage their own things as they want, whether it is the best method or not I leave to you decide, I give advice, who is convinced that working as he always made is the best choice maybe does not need a plm but to visit some other company.

on what you say you're demonstrating a typical contrasensus:

if you have to make a project from 0 what better opportunity to start managing it as you should?
If you have to change, even psantly, an existing design instead, you are creating another version of something already done and then you would waste time inventing a new tab since the base already you have.

wasted time = wasted money

unless you are used to starting with a cup of coffee to produce a shoe.. .

step and close

 

[Ydesigner]

You are here to make your contribution, I understand, I do not defend any method. then I ask you: how does the revision management mechanism work?

I press that I continue to argue that it is not enough to manage the revisions in this company, and not because it is claimed that it has always been so.

I wait for news, if you want!

 

[re_solidworks]

I produce products with total flexibility and without spending a minute on pdm, this is the result.
if you have to make a product similar to another clones and change how much it is to be modified, the tables follow cloning and for ready you do nothing, simply use ready to create, clonare, modify.
you have nothing to fill out if not a single interface that you should fill in anyway to enter the personal data in the parts/assiems.
I use them little and only when I review a piece because actually the same piece is produced in another way.
This is my choice.

for the outsiders who do not have ready...if they should take it if you want to work smoothly.

the vault I don't even want to see because if one day you plant something I don't access anything anymore, with the available files I access you also at pdm off, then it's a matter of views.

from what I read allow me to tell you that I recommend you even more to feel any other dealer of other products, because of smoke in front of your eyes they have already thrown you in abundance... .

 

[KTI]

no need to add more

 

[Ydesigner]

thanks to all for availability and advice!