come si inizia?

[loky121266]

hi to everyone, I wrote a little time ago at the forum and I read above all to understand something like making a decent render. Saturday I went to the saie (I am a manufacturer only third media) to see above all the software section and understand something....I saw the description of revit that had already begun and the poor boy who explained, was so inflated that I did not feel to break with questions as a beginner. I was passionate about trying to do something with revit until now I drew only with autocad and learned quite well (from self-taught) to draw in 3d and render in artlantis, but actually it would seem that revit is faster to make projects in 3d. is it more productive to use autocad or revit? I do not make drawings for the construction of buildings (to that the architect thinks about it) but sometimes you have the need to do works to convince a customer and to make him better understand what he buys, given the shortage of sales due to the world crisis. now the question:
where do you start drawing? from the ground? Is there a tutorial that teaches how to make the ground to place the 3d model? or should it make a solid surface with the classic extrusion of a polylinea and apply grass with artlantis? use artlantis because it is definitely the simplest among rendering software was nothing else because it allows to see the preview in real time, but I saw a demonstrator make a draft to render with cinema4d to bologna and I must say that it does not seem so inarrivalable. will we see, while someone can help me with my first question? Thank you all.

 

[warburg]

I was in Tuscany until a year ago and a builder like you never found it! :biggrin: I mean, one who makes his architect a minimum mayor and then thinks alone to make views for customers... If you pay him as he has to be paid, make him do what he has to do, otherwise he finds another hundred thousand ready to earn his money. I think you do another job.
in any case:
- revit is another planet, especially in terms of productivity when you master the program. I am just in the beginning but already now it bothers me to draw with autocad, having intuited the logic with which you work in the beautiful world of programs of this type.
- starting from scratch, perhaps the only thing you should do is start studying the manuals in Italian made available in pdf format from the autodesk site. There is a general manual, one with exercises on how to make families, another with a small exercise on a house and another large pile on an office building.
- online, videotutorial in Italian are not there, if you understand English however you find everything. there are good tutorials in Italian qui e qui.
- in the exercises on home and office above also explain how to make the basic topography of the building; revit also makes good renderings with an internal motor.
Good job!

 

[warburg]

then came out of good books in Italian on the 2011 version: This is e This is.

 

[loky121266]

Hi, my architect paid him well, but there are things I can't ask him. when a customer comes to the yard sees little, because sometimes it happens to sell before building and have a thousand demands and many perplexities. I put the money to build and the sales I make it, I don't even think about making customers talk to the architect, it doesn't take anything to lose them. Then you can't do the negotiation, I know where I can get there and what to give in exchange for the purchase, then they want to know immediately and see how it can come with a wall here rather than there with a sofa of 2 meters rather than two armchairs, and it is not thinkable to take the demands of the customers, go to the architect and let him throw down an idea to then show it to the customer to whom maybe it doesn't like and have to start again. customers should be licked otherwise they do not return. Besides that, I'm having a good time cuffing. well thanks to the answer, I will see to put myself down and to learn something, even if I have to start again from the beginning, because with autocad I was now accustomed to modeling 3d, if I wanted to do for example, a sidewalk extruded a pole and voilà, while with revit I really did not know how I could do something (for example) trivial like this.
My question, however, was about the method of work.... if to begin with the ground or directly with the building. Thanks for the answer.
p.s. in what city did you work in Tuscany?

 

[Tristan]

I would start with a good course...

 

[warburg]

Hi, my architect paid him well, but there are things I can't ask him. when a customer comes to the yard sees little, because sometimes it happens to sell before building and have a thousand demands and many perplexities. I put the money to build and the sales I make it, I don't even think about making customers talk to the architect, it doesn't take anything to lose them. Then you can't do the negotiation, I know where I can get there and what to give in exchange for the purchase, then they want to know immediately and see how it can come with a wall here rather than there with a sofa of 2 meters rather than two armchairs, and it is not thinkable to take the demands of the customers, go to the architect and let him throw down an idea to then show it to the customer to whom maybe it doesn't like and have to start again. customers should be licked otherwise they do not return. Besides that, I'm having a good time cuffing. well thanks to the answer, I will see to put myself down and to learn something, even if I have to start again from the beginning, because with autocad I was now accustomed to modeling 3d, if I wanted to do for example, a sidewalk extruded a pole and voilà, while with revit I really did not know how I could do something (for example) trivial like this.
My question, however, was about the method of work.... if to begin with the ground or directly with the building. Thanks for the answer.
p.s. in what city did you work in Tuscany?

I start from the end of your answer: I have been in Florence almost 20 years, including studies, doctorates, courses, pseudo-university works and various spells let's say that for now I do not regret it at all. . .
For the rest, I understand what you mean, you manage the negotiations rightly with customers and I am quite in agreement with you on this method. If I did not understand correctly, then you would like to have the opportunity to change yourself in person the project to propose to customers changes to the footprint, so after the meetings.. .
revit or other bim would be perfect for this! rev-it means revisional-actually a little optimistic, but more or less it is so.
But then the ideal would be: take your architect and let him learn revit. after you deliver the project and the files, you can change it yourself in the phases of negotiation with customers, even using the fact that revit allows the display of different project options etc....
to learn: try with the files I told you and buy the books in Italian. or follow a course, but you must find it really good and if possible not in group, something a little difficult.

 

[loky121266]

I start from the end of your answer: I have been in Florence almost 20 years, including studies, doctorates, courses, pseudo-university works and various spells let's say that for now I do not regret it at all. . .What do you not regret, Tuscany? I do not get angry heee )))) joke of course.For the rest, I understand what you mean, you manage the negotiations rightly with customers and I am quite in agreement with you on this method. If I did not understand correctly, then you would like to have the opportunity to change yourself in person the project to propose to customers changes to the footprint, so after the meetings.. . Very accurate!revit or other bim would be perfect for this! rev-it means revisional-actually a little optimistic, but more or less it is so.
But then the ideal would be: take your architect to "mazzate". very good idea......however to respond also to tristan:
the course would be magnificent the problem is that at Arezzo do not do it, the only ones are to perugia 70km and archdox, but the latter only to residents in the province of bigeto. Then the courses would take us in the evening (I leave at 6:00 and I return at 20:00 and the time.......) there are too many things to make coincide for those who live like me away from the cities in villages of 1,000 inhabitants.
bho? I will see to do some tests myself and maybe I will put in the section w.i.p so you recommend the adjustments, in the end I think that for what I have to do (not photorealism) is the most effective way.

 

[warburg]

I was referring to firenze, not to all the Tuscan
for courses: a time on ebay I found a Sardinian gemetra who did revit courses at a distance. is convenient because you use screen sharing with skype or other programs; I don't think it's there anymore, but if you want, I should have an e-mail somewhere.
in any case, you start with pdfs in Italian and books, it is the cheapest way and after all more compatible with your schedules.