comparison of payments

[mar.dan]

I was talking to a friend today about the pay these days. he works for a small company that produces third-party lamps, a snc of the parmense.
he works as a mechanical expert in the technical office, he is the only one in the technical office so he does everything, from the definition of the problem with the customer to the final solution and dialogue with suppliers. works the classic 8 hours a day. after about 4 years of intake takes 1100 euro month without thirteenth. I was disconcerted.
is it just my impression or is it a fair payment? ok, it is not graduated but in fact the company goes on thanks to him because without that figure it would be difficult to carry out any new job. What do you think?

 

[roberto 2011]

who governs us has decided that to survive we must go down to the level of the Chinese. So low pay and cancellation of all rights, only so we will become (maybe) competitive.

Is that right? Is it wrong? I just know that if I were an employee I would have so much Rodim....... But it can also be the only way to survive. :redface:

hope then is that Chinese citizens also approach Western standards, if in the meantime they were not all erased. :

 

[re_solidworks]

I was talking to a friend today about the pay these days. he works for a small company that produces third-party lamps, a snc of the parmense.
he works as a mechanical expert in the technical office, he is the only one in the technical office so he does everything, from the definition of the problem with the customer to the final solution and dialogue with suppliers. works the classic 8 hours a day. after about 4 years of intake takes 1100 euro month without thirteenth. I was disconcerted.
is it just my impression or is it a fair payment? ok, it is not graduated but in fact the company goes on thanks to him because without that figure it would be difficult to carry out any new job. What do you think?

so it is little, but you have to see how he does his work and how valuable his figure is for the company. if his figure can be replaced efficiently after a week then he has no contractual power, but if they serve 2-3 years he should go to the boss and beat a little cash.
collective agreements for me have never existed, in the sense that I am of the idea that an employee must demonstrate its value and then negotiate the cost of its services.
I know people who have been working in ut for several years, but I would not only pay them little, I wouldn't even hire them in my office!

 

[numero1]

so it is little, but you have to see how he does his work and how valuable his figure is for the company. if his figure can be replaced efficiently after a week then he has no contractual power, but if they serve 2-3 years he should go to the boss and beat a little cash.
collective agreements for me have never existed, in the sense that I am of the idea that an employee must demonstrate its value and then negotiate the cost of its services.
I know people who have been working in ut for several years, but I would not only pay them little, I wouldn't even hire them in my office!

I agree with what you write, but with regard to ccnl no, they must exist.
this to give a minimum of guarantees to all, and a minimum wage equal for all.
in fact we can not (and fortunately) be all equal, or all genes or all cracks.
It's a little like a horse race, they're all (at the start) on the same line, then the pursies take their heads.
they should have recognized this, it is called meritocracy.
But now boh, there is still :frown:

 

[IB-Motorsport]

hope then is that Chinese citizens also approach Western standards, if in the meantime they were not all erased. :

hoping they won't become our new masters and we are even more slaves and exploited!

 

[Tequila]

hoping they won't become our new masters and we are even more slaves and exploited!

we are already on the good road... I know some Italians working in bars purchased and managed by the Chinese. I still haven't seen him work in their stores, but the road I think is short. as long ago no one wanted to do manual and heavy work like the mason, now to work he finds himself having as Romanian, Moldovan or other Eastern building entrepreneurs.

from here to twenty years I don't know how the world will be (even tomorrow I know...) but if I had children of 10-12 years surely seen the period I would propose to make him do more technical and manual studies rather than schools of art or letters and philosophy, at least that finished the school can have more chance to find work... but 99% always depends on the son what he wants to do as big.

Hi.

 

[pometto]

we are now in a world made of recommendations and paraculates... no longer exists meritocracy, only goes on who manages to lick better than others and who really deserves promotion or work is cut off in departure. I wanted to answer tequila about the fact that he sends his children to do the technique, I would say that it would be better to decide the children maybe you could just guide them but not obligate them. . .

 

[IB-Motorsport]

we are already on the good road... I know some Italians working in bars purchased and managed by the Chinese. I still haven't seen him work in their stores, but the road I think is short. as long ago no one wanted to do manual and heavy work like the mason, now to work he finds himself having as Romanian, Moldovan or other Eastern building entrepreneurs.

from here to twenty years I don't know how the world will be (even tomorrow I know...) but if I had children of 10-12 years surely seen the period I would propose to make him do more technical and manual studies rather than schools of art or letters and philosophy, at least that finished the school can have more chance to find work... but 99% always depends on the son what he wants to do as big.

Hi.

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