comparison sectors (proposed evaluation)

[Sergio_V]

Good evening, a dear friend of mine is about to finish his studies in mechanical engineering and he had two proposals (both apprenticeship contracts and with equal framement). ..one in the field of mold design and the other as machine tool designer (fresh/rounds)...etc. having only had experiences in the automatic machine sector I don't know exactly what to tell him...you would like to advise him from the professional point of view, see the current and future trends of the market? where you earn more on average,what of the two sectors is more stressful (it is a person who is passionate about everything and I do not see other criteria of honest discernment)?

 

[meccanicamg]

molds vs machine tools. both huge worlds. the world molds can be of various nature and especially for the plastic sector is a strong market. machine tools learn mechanics the real one, motors, gears, gears, skates, screw axes, brakes etc. cin the molds you are in a way where you only see the mold elements... a closed world that if you change craft you do not know a bunch of mechanics.
machine tools make lathes, cutters, watejets, machines of all sectors etc. because basic I know or the concepts of mechanics.
I can tell you that having experienced both on some machine tools special grinding and experience in the automation and assembly sector and having always had a lot of curiosity I found no problems designing 50 meters plants to work sheet strips, rather than hydraulic presses, rather than special gearboxes and mechanical changes, new machines etc.
then one must do what he thinks can stimulate the imagination.

 

[Geppetto82]

I have experience in the world of plastic injection molds and molding that I can tell you.
designing a mold is an art and needs so much imagination: It is true what mechanicalmg says that it is a closed world but it is a very specialized world in expansion and always evolving: materials, components, etc....and if one ingrain there are wide margins of gain.
design a cazzuto mold with all criteria of the case, with the right materials and components solves so many problems to the printer.
the area of the brands I know that it is very strong for the stamping sheet (I have been in a company whose name I do not remember to weigh), the exile and especially bologna and reggio instead for plastic.
depends on what ambitions and passions your friend has

 

[Meteor02]

As far as I'm concerned with designing molds from great satisfaction, especially when you can find the right compromise between spending and surrender. but if tranquility is what your friend looks for probably in other sectors will have less breath on the neck.

 

[Sergio_V]

First of all I thank you for the comments, I will certainly refer to. .

molds vs machine tools. both huge worlds. the world molds can be of various nature and especially for the plastic sector is a strong market. machine tools learn mechanics the real one, motors, gears, gears, skates, screw axes, brakes etc. cin the molds you are in a way where you only see the mold elements... a closed world that if you change craft you do not know a bunch of mechanics.
machine tools make lathes, cutters, watejets, machines of all sectors etc. because basic I know or the concepts of mechanics.
I can tell you that having experienced both on some machine tools special grinding and experience in the automation and assembly sector and having always had a lot of curiosity I found no problems designing 50 meters plants to work sheet strips, rather than hydraulic presses, rather than special gearboxes and mechanical changes, new machines etc.
then one must do what he thinks can stimulate the imagination.

I agree, in theory it is or should it be as you say, but my question is now another.. how many companies in that sector do what you describe? I know a few. .at least in the packaging machine industry (I don't know for machine tools) I would say no....all to configure projects made by some genius 30 or 40 years ago and adapt them to the customer's product.poi se skip out some dimensioning to be done, all recur to commercials/specialized companies (classic example : gearbox? calls sew, penumatic manipulator? calls smc, gears? I've seen a lot of companies working on. Instead of the "productive" side, I've always seen it as something I want to know about. . .

I have experience in the world of plastic injection molds and molding that I can tell you.
designing a mold is an art and needs so much imagination: It is true what mechanicalmg says that it is a closed world but it is a very specialized world in expansion and always evolving: materials, components, etc....and if one ingrain there are wide margins of gain.
design a cazzuto mold with all criteria of the case, with the right materials and components solves so many problems to the printer.
the area of the brands I know that it is very strong for the stamping sheet (I have been in a company whose name I do not remember to weigh), the exile and especially bologna and reggio instead for plastic.
depends on what ambitions and passions your friend has

I take advantage of it to ask one thing... from what you tell me there is still a lot of spending in the field, even in the near future/remoto? ...that is, it is not something that will be dismantled by hand (new revolutionary technologies etc.)? I think you'll know something about it.

As far as I'm concerned with designing molds from great satisfaction, especially when you can find the right compromise between spending and surrender. but if tranquility is what your friend looks for probably in other sectors will have less breath on the neck.

At this point I am curious, what work rhythms you have? (hours etc.... if you don't want to answer you don't worry. . was right for information

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[meccanicamg]

in the design of machine tools? 10 hours a day, 2 company technical offices and 5 outside people, run with less than half the time and until all use sheets, iron, aluminum....you work.

 

[Meteor02]

we say that when you design a mold you can not always do it by following the guidelines, it is a constant search for the best compromise between feasibility, costs and technical and aesthetic performance. often you dare relying on the experience and then you wait for the response to try molds with palpitations, knowing that when everything works to the maximum the holder gives you a pat on the shoulder and that you can not allow something to work.

 

[Geppetto82]

I take advantage of it to ask one thing... from what you tell me there is still a lot of spending in the field, even in the near future/remoto? ...that is, it is not something that will be dismantled by hand (new revolutionary technologies etc.)? I think you'll know something about it.

plastic in recent years is replacing metal in different applications. for me it will not be so easily arrested. revolutionary technologies? from what I see revolutions are done in terms of raw materials: eco-sustainable polymers, polymer blends with unthinkable performance for plastic etc....
the sector is a sector apart from classic mechanics: should create (I don't know exists) a specialization degree on purpose. from the knowledge of the different plastics to the study of the flow, from the design of a mold to the actual molding.
I bought a famous book a long time ago, but the experience you do on the field is the real school!

 

[Sergio_V]

plastic in recent years is replacing metal in different applications. for me it will not be so easily arrested. revolutionary technologies? from what I see revolutions are done in terms of raw materials: eco-sustainable polymers, polymer blends with unthinkable performance for plastic etc....
the sector is a sector apart from classic mechanics: should create (I don't know exists) a specialization degree on purpose. from the knowledge of the different plastics to the study of the flow, from the design of a mold to the actual molding.
I bought a famous book a long time ago, but the experience you do on the field is the real school!

from what I understood the company that made him the proposal makes molds for composite materials mainly besides metal.. but I think it is a new sector because I have never heard of it. .

 

[Geppetto82]

from what I understood the company that made him the proposal makes molds for composite materials mainly besides metal.. but I think it is a new sector because I have never heard of it. .

composite material is also a classic nylon loaded with glass fibers....it is the type of material but well or bad the design concepts of the mold are the same....
so your friend will take care of both plastic molding and sheeting I have not understood

 

[Sergio_V]

composite material is also a classic nylon loaded with glass fibers....it is the type of material but well or bad the design concepts of the mold are the same....
so your friend will take care of both plastic molding and sheeting I have not understood

the reference sector is the automotive but is still deciding

 

[rinato]

If you already have confidence with automatic machines, I think it is easier to adapt and "seat" in the machine tool industry. especially if they do not support him some "old" that teaches him what is not on the books.

 

[New Rider]

Hello everyone,

I support this debate without opening any new ones.
I wanted to know from those "'senior'" as you evaluate a new career opportunity.
Imagine having 3 job offers and having to choose one.
at equal money, working distance and business size.
I do not refer to the sector that can please more or less (packaging vs.machine tools etc.) but to quality, variety, working methodologies etc.
You have some advice to give me. .
Thank you.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

I value the "project" that would involve me.
then I try to have information about the environment, which is always quite difficult.
in the past twice I did not listen to the "sensations" I felt during the talks, I shut my instincts. in both experiences were negative.
in the last choice I made, and that will take me shortly to a change of company, besides reason I also listened to instinct.
We'll see how it goes...crossing your fingers.

 

[Sergio_V]

you can be computed as much as you want... but the crystal ball no one has it and many are born actors.. .