comparison solidworks solidedge, creo, inventor for building carpentry

[Parametric_Ozzy]

to me it seems like a great pussy (look at the end).

the advantages of specific software such as advance steel, in a parametric software.

Well, it's just like that... the term is all about it!!!:wink:
It can be a devastating weapon in terms of surrender, quality and speed.

 

[re_solidworks]

is a competitor software of buildworks and steelworks, but of the ptc and definitely well integrated into creo.
steelworks seems already dead and builtworks exists but I don't know until they keep us at the Italian market.
it would be nice to see how it is integrated with the main fems for structures and see how many knots to manage. in this steelworks was really nice.
it would be nice to also evaluate the entire workflow, since you build a single-level model that normally does not marry well with the distinct.
surely the solution will be already available, I would like to see it.
the choice must also be dictated by the advantage/expense ratio, so if you make a great use of that type of knots it could safely be convenient I create even in the face of a greater expense.
eye that advance steel does not cost much more....

 

[gil]

It seems to me that I create you practically the only one to have a specific module, since steelworks seems to me dead and builtworks, it is difficult to recover in Italy.

There's nothing on inventor.

But cabbage 4'000euro only for the mdoulo afx said parametric, my employer pulls it in my back, since the complete solution will turn on 10'000 euros.

 

[cacciatorino]

But cabbage 4'000euro only for the mdoulo afx said parametric, my employer pulls it in my back, since the complete solution will turn on 10'000 euros.

That was exactly why I asked to explain it, you can't compete with a 5000 euro software with a 10,000.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

That was exactly why I asked to explain it, you can't compete with a 5000 euro software with a 10,000.

In fact, as you see gil is aware of it, since he was the one who opened this discussion, I do not understand exactly your concern.

 

[cacciatorino]

In fact, as you see gil is aware of it, since he was the one who opened this discussion, I do not understand exactly your concern.

as a moderator I have a duty to make sure that the discussion is clear and understandable. I probably have a different sensibility than yours, but for me some things are important and so I insist, even at the cost of being repetitive.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

as a moderator I have a duty to make sure that the discussion is clear and understandable. I probably have a different sensibility than yours, but for me some things are important and so I insist, even at the cost of being repetitive.

Everyone has his views, I respect yours and you try to respect mine.
At this point, however, I say that it is better to carry out it in the regulation if we want clarity and transparency at 360 degrees.
a council from a former moderator. . .
greetings

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

It seems to me that I create you practically the only one to have a specific module, since steelworks seems to me dead and builtworks, it is difficult to recover in Italy.

There's nothing on inventor.

But cabbage 4'000euro only for the mdoulo afx said parametric, my employer pulls it in my back, since the complete solution will turn on 10'000 euros.

depends on how you justify it... If you put 1/4 of the time doing things, I'm sure your employer sees it as a good investment.

greetings

 

[re_solidworks]

depends on how you justify it... If you put 1/4 of the time doing things, I'm sure your employer sees it as a good investment.

greetings

exactly. Although it is difficult to forecast the future at productive level today. since I have "open shop" I have bought snakes according to the future abundance and today I have not repented.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

exactly. Although it is difficult to forecast the future at productive level today. since I have "open shop" I have bought snakes according to the future abundance and today I have not repented.

It is not always easy to predict the future, so it is more aware and it is right to make targeted investments.
but precisely for this reason the ptc suite in this sense helps a lot, it is scalable and the carriages according to your requirements, taking the case of gil could also think of taking only creo parametric and managing it in a different way, maybe it will be a little slower than if it had taken also the afx extension, but the result brings it home equally and in the future can still add it and has a tool that allows it to approach any other type sw model
You know how I think it, I'm not one who wants you to sell an extension or form if you don't need it, I try rather to give you the best approach to your needs, I firmly believe you pay more this and my conscience is always in place! :smile:

 

[gil]

Hunter I think now, it's clear what you're thinking about.
The general impressions I made are the following.

all the software solutions mentioned are able to develop carpentry structures as required. prices vary from 4'000 to 8'000 euro

Maybe, inventor who thanks to an acquaintance I could see closely, seems a little under the average level. but it is also what costs less.

in all cases the construction is a little more slender than autocad. This disadvantage, however, is complied with a parametric management which, among other things, greatly simplifies the creations of drawings for printing.

Specific plugins, to be paid aside, can help a lot making the modeling times next for example to those of autocad + advance, maintaining the advantages said above. such module is available for creo with afx, and theoretically with solidworks and builtworks, but built... seems not imported in Italy.

correct?

 

[re_solidworks]

Hunter I think now, it's clear what you're thinking about.
The general impressions I made are the following.

all the software solutions mentioned are able to develop carpentry structures as required. prices vary from 4'000 to 8'000 euro

Maybe, inventor who thanks to an acquaintance I could see closely, seems a little under the average level. but it is also what costs less.

in all cases the construction is a little more slender than autocad. This disadvantage, however, is complied with a parametric management which, among other things, greatly simplifies the creations of drawings for printing.

Specific plugins, to be paid aside, can help a lot making the modeling times next for example to those of autocad + advance, maintaining the advantages said above. such module is available for creo with afx, and theoretically with solidworks and builtworks, but built... seems not imported in Italy.

correct?

gil, in my opinion modeling in 3d the structures is more exhausting than autocad until projects simple forms and with a number of components quite contained.
there are practically impossible forms to achieve in 2d, especially in sheet metals and often also in reinforcements for carpentry.
hand counting the components is a drama and often leads to errors due to manual management. make these lists often and willingly is very expensive in terms of time.
if a change happens when you have already completed the drawings of the normals in 2d is another drama: long times, risk of forgetting to update by hand something, etc....
in the end it is not so "macchinoso", autocad is "macchinoso"......

 

[re_solidworks]

It is not always easy to predict the future, so it is more aware and it is right to make targeted investments.
but precisely for this reason the ptc suite in this sense helps a lot, it is scalable and the carriages according to your requirements, taking the case of gil could also think of taking only creo parametric and managing it in a different way, maybe it will be a little slower than if it had taken also the afx extension, but the result brings it home equally and in the future can still add it and has a tool that allows it to approach any other type sw model
You know how I think it, I'm not one who wants you to sell an extension or form if you don't need it, I try rather to give you the best approach to your needs, I firmly believe you pay more this and my conscience is always in place! :smile:

the problem of those who buy and do not know what will do is that I create + afx is more performing and costs more than basic swx.
I create alone coast + or - as base swx but has no function for carpentry, while swx in the case of welded structures has already integrated dedicated functions.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

the problem of those who buy and do not know what will do is that I create + afx is more performing and costs more than basic swx.
I create alone coast + or - as base swx but has no function for carpentry, while swx in the case of welded structures has already integrated dedicated functions.

sure but as said they are limited or however need a strong customization, otherwise even with swx (you said it yourself) you have to go buy other third-party plug-ins.

 

[maxopus]

the problem of those who buy and do not know what will do is that I create + afx is more performing and costs more than basic swx.
I create alone coast + or - as base swx but has no function for carpentry, while swx in the case of welded structures has already integrated dedicated functions.

inexact information.
in the basic version of creo there is afx light (or lite ... I do not remember).
I prefer to spend 2 extra money... I pay them back in a few months.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

inexact information.
in the basic version of creo there is afx light (or lite ... I do not remember).
I prefer to spend 2 extra money... I pay them back in a few months.

Lite, light is the philadelphia. :smile:

It is true that there is the quarrel, I did not mention it because in the case of gil it would not be good, it has a limit of 50 components per unit.

 

[gil]

the construction is a little more slender

was reported to a 3d solid modeling comparison: autocad vs parametric.
I refer only to modeling not to the development of tables or other.

for what I have seen, on a flat frame it is made before with the parametric, the more the structure is complex the more the parametric it demands more and more impt

this because you have to insert all a set of very precise parameters, but they are then those that make the difference in the next management of the project.

 

[maxopus]

was reported to a 3d solid modeling comparison: autocad vs parametric.
I refer only to modeling not to the development of tables or other.

for what I have seen, on a flat frame it is made before with the parametric, the more the structure is complex the more the parametric it demands more and more impt

this because you have to insert all a set of very precise parameters, but they are then those that make the difference in the next management of the project.

the parameters are exactly what you need to use for the table.
metadata (material, customer, marking, surface treatments, etc.) are the same data that you will still need to enter in the cartilage, even if you use autocad.
only that in the parametric insert them (or load them from a template file) to the part level, and when you make the table they are recalled in the cart.
so ... at the level of changes there is no bit, the power of a 3d parameter from 500 turns to any 2d solution.
at the level of development sheet for profiles and flat plates, worse I feel, with autocad risks the stress neurosis.

If you do this job, throw in the autocad bin... it would be like to drill the plates with the column drill knowing that you could have a control puncher at the same price.

 

[Tequila]

I also add that if you have to manage metadata of many details and update them all or change them in a few seconds you can update them by opening a set and managing the properties from them of the individual template files. at the opening then of the individual drawing boards these will be automatically updated.
in solid edge works like this, but I also presume for other parameters.
in 5 minutes max I manage/update hundreds of 2d boards at the time of need, which when using the pure 2d (type autocad) took me 3-4 days and hope not to forget someone.

as maxopus says, from 500 laps to various 2d, but perhaps also 1000-1500 laps

 

[cacciatorino]

in solid edge works like this, but I also presume for other parameters.

Actually, it's not like that. This is one of the little big things that they don't sell, but that make you thank for taking him once you've...