Mauro89
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hi guys, I wanted to ask you how your work interviews went, what did they ask you, for what kind of work?
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Tantocattivo
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I've been sending curriculumm all over Italy for a year and I haven't even been able to interview.
Mauro89
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Hello, you're a graduate?
Tantocattivo
Guest
no, I'm a enabled geometra that has always made the mechanical designer. I sent over 100 resumes for as many positions throughout Italy and no one answered me. I think and hope it's because I'm a geometra and not a mechanical expert.
Marco74
Guest
on the fact that no one answers you unfortunately is normal, even I heard a few days ago that a boy was called by an interim agency after 6 years that he had sent a resume.....assurdono, I'm a enabled geometra that has always made the mechanical designer. I sent over 100 resumes for as many positions throughout Italy and no one answered me. I think and hope it's because I'm a geometra and not a mechanical expert.
maxopus
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sending the resume often is not enough.
You have to stick to the phone and insist, I know it is exhausting but, the chances of getting an interview increase.
You have to stick to the phone and insist, I know it is exhausting but, the chances of getting an interview increase.
Tantocattivo
Guest
the thing that makes me strange is that I don't say I take the job, but at least be considered interesting to be contacted by phone. I tried them all, I ran for juonior positions. definitely now I have to call and ask
gil
Guest
many companies have few comesses. Therefore do not assume, if they need skills they turn to professional studies or specialized companies. costs more but at least they pay only the job to do.
Today also a 3 month contract is considered too long since the company yesterday had no comesse, today works, and tomorrow who knows. Of course there are excels, but they are few and often small compared to the Italian economy as a whole.
in the design, I think we go towards a market made of many small professionals who work at a game iva, with methods and means to "umma umma" to contain the prices. then there will be very large studies, mutlidisplinari.
I mean, it's really hard times.
Today also a 3 month contract is considered too long since the company yesterday had no comesse, today works, and tomorrow who knows. Of course there are excels, but they are few and often small compared to the Italian economy as a whole.
in the design, I think we go towards a market made of many small professionals who work at a game iva, with methods and means to "umma umma" to contain the prices. then there will be very large studies, mutlidisplinari.
I mean, it's really hard times.
meccanicamg
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we say that to find work you need the following things:
- send resume
- after 2 days call and feel if there is interest or not in the company
- What?
- patience.
- enroll in all possible things, linkedin, infojobs and other, agencies, specialized agencies if the figure is high-level, employment agency (state)
for those who have to work in the technical office, as a designer, designer or technical office manager, please ask:- reading a series of technical drawings (design theory, reading)- calculation of a cinematism/enlargement or what is the focus of the company (design part)- knowledge drawing program (2d/3d) with modeling of a series of pieces/axioms with related table masses (to evaluate complete knowledge use tools and theoretical knowledge drawing as well as ability to choose materials, processing, treatments etc.) (operational and technical capacity)Then depending on companies, they interview you in foreign language, they beat you 2 hours in the workshop with a caliber in hand to detect a piece already realized to understand if you can use the tools or if you have no experience.
- send resume
- after 2 days call and feel if there is interest or not in the company
- What?
- patience.
- enroll in all possible things, linkedin, infojobs and other, agencies, specialized agencies if the figure is high-level, employment agency (state)
for those who have to work in the technical office, as a designer, designer or technical office manager, please ask:- reading a series of technical drawings (design theory, reading)- calculation of a cinematism/enlargement or what is the focus of the company (design part)- knowledge drawing program (2d/3d) with modeling of a series of pieces/axioms with related table masses (to evaluate complete knowledge use tools and theoretical knowledge drawing as well as ability to choose materials, processing, treatments etc.) (operational and technical capacity)Then depending on companies, they interview you in foreign language, they beat you 2 hours in the workshop with a caliber in hand to detect a piece already realized to understand if you can use the tools or if you have no experience.
New Rider
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If I can say mine, there is now a situation of general malaise at a professional level. as already said by "gil" companies no longer hire or better do it but under their economic/work conditions or give everything out. from my experience of interviews (north-west vein) having a very varied and little targeted resume is a penalty point. and I find it not very right. a varied curriculum or better a profession varies in my way to see from the possibility to see if one is brought or not to the various and various difficulties that can be presented during the work. other thing matters a lot about age. the younger you have the chance but always under their conditions and this leads you to experience but then you find yourself in the first mentioned situation. the more you go ahead with the age more difficult is the insertion for pay/fixing reasons etc. other thing... professional studies even those do not pass very well. it is hard to fit for as practitioner/recopier/photocopier free of charge. In my opinion it also avoids the interinal agencies of the type "seeking designers solidworks junior etc.". look for the "technical" of turn to be subpaid for three months and then via another "technic" to be subpaid for another three/four months... It's a down game. I mean, it's a difficult time. It takes a lot of luck. what most loved me and that beyond the work that can be there or not what is missing is the respect of the person who is looking for work. adirittura you don't even have to answer an email.I don't say in header paper but not automatically through the e-mail program.. I'm not talking about big realities. but of small local realities. If you're lucky to have an interview, I repeat my personal experience, never once I've been in front of a design or a request for something technical about the company. I talk about interviews that lasted several hours. so in my opinion it takes so much luck and patience.
Max-C
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we say that in Italy you play a lot on the "disperation" of people... If you don't mind no problem, there's someone more desperate than you...If I can say mine, there is now a situation of general malaise at a professional level. as already said by "gil" companies no longer hire or better do it but under their economic/work conditions or give everything out. from my experience of interviews (north-west vein) having a very varied and little targeted resume is a penalty point. and I find it not very right. a varied curriculum or better a profession varies in my way to see from the possibility to see if one is brought or not to the various and various difficulties that can be presented during the work. other thing matters a lot about age. the younger you have the chance but always under their conditions and this leads you to experience but then you find yourself in the first mentioned situation. the more you go ahead with the age more difficult is the insertion for pay/fixing reasons etc. other thing... professional studies even those do not pass very well. it is hard to fit for as practitioner/recopier/photocopier free of charge. In my opinion it also avoids the interinal agencies of the type "seeking designers solidworks junior etc.". look for the "technical" of turn to be subpaid for three months and then via another "technic" to be subpaid for another three/four months... It's a down game. I mean, it's a difficult time. It takes a lot of luck. what most loved me and that beyond the work that can be there or not what is missing is the respect of the person who is looking for work. adirittura you don't even have to answer an email.I don't say in header paper but not automatically through the e-mail program.. I'm not talking about big realities. but of small local realities. If you're lucky to have an interview, I repeat my personal experience, never once I've been in front of a design or a request for something technical about the company. I talk about interviews that lasted several hours. so in my opinion it takes so much luck and patience.
Mauro89
Guest
In fact I would also prefer a reply like '' our company does not hire you because you do not have these skills...... '' at least to understand what I miss, it's just a psychological periodical
gil
Guest
most companies are at the gas barrel, they do not hire because they do not have work. Perhaps they would not admit it even under torture because the owners of a company are often very “pride” (pride to the coglionaggine).I would prefer a response like this '' our company doesn't hire you because you don't have these skills...... '
who hires has such a large audience of candidates that the chosen person feels like the winner of a lottery. often the selection of staff is delegated to people who do not have skills in the field for which they make selection. This is why we do not speak specifically of the job.
to me it happened to do an interview where, the person who was selecting me as a cad designer, did not know that software they used in their company! acquaintances told me about worse.
but the real problem is that many Italian companies produce poorly sellable goods or services. little appreciated in Italy we figure abroad, without entering into the merit of the problem, the result is a costly loss of work. a spiral from which I see no solution or end. if companies have not committed, do not assume, certainly not stable.
cacciatorino
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Consider that those who work in companies are always subject to very high workloads, so maybe they don't have half an hour to lose every day to answer unsolicited letters.In fact I would also prefer a reply like '' our company does not hire you because you do not have these skills...... '' at least to understand what I miss, it's just a psychological periodical
Mauro89
Guest
with this crisis companies want people with sustained work experience, or at least graduate people,so types like me who have only graduation have hardly any chance to make careers,now the labor market is open only to the best
cacciatorino
Guest
How old are you? if you are young there are various forms of entry such as apprenticeship, internship, work grants, youth guarantee etc.with this crisis companies want people with sustained work experience, or at least graduate people,so types like me who have only graduation have hardly any chance to make careers,now the labor market is open only to the best
do a study on these contractual forms, and the next time you send a resume add a letter in which you tell them that they could hire you with a certain contractual form, which would benefit him for this or that reason.
Keep in mind that an employee at t.i. It costs several thousand euros a month, so it's also normal for a company to want experienced and productive people right away, wouldn't you? Until you have experience, it's normal to settle for a salary that's just like productivity.
gil
Guest
But first the companies took on with compelling contracts, but they assumed because so much “so little”.So it's also normal for a company to want skilled and productive people right away, wouldn't you? Until you have experience, it's normal to settle for a salary that's just like productivity.
There was a chance to have an experience, which then serves little, but at least something was done.
Now whatever resume you have is hard even to open the door. graduates or graduates change little, they don't even want them free. the problem is that there are no orders, the companies are almost all in staff, they would like to cut but it is difficult because the licensor has already been cut.
Let's figure out how they react to a new employee aspiring. It is not about being able and prepared. simply 99% of companies do not need other staff, and indeed they are getting out to hunt, at least in part, what they already have.
PierArg
Guest
I think "truth" is in the middle.
On the one hand you are right gil, most companies do mortal jumps to move on. many even boast that they have achieved a great result only to not have fired.
on the other side he's right hunting. the few companies they hire want people who are experienced and able to give added value to the company.
and paradoxically they are also able to offer much more money than pre-crisis levels, both because the mobility of experienced people is very difficult both because they consider that figure a great added value for the company.
Basically, when there were fat cows, expert profiles changed work easily. Now they think about it 100 times. and to be "incentive" to change are proposed of the relevant economic figures.
Finally, I reply to this statement:
we are in a technical/technological field and resources must always be updated and ready to face a market that proceeds at an incredible speed.
How old are you? I presume it's 1989.
I am almost your peer (1984) and, although I am not obliged as I have already graduated, I still continue to study, I am informed, I deepen and deepen the topics related to my sector.
The message I want to get through is that we have to wake up, man!
we are not in the post office or supermarket cashiers (with all respect for these figures, we would miss anything else).
we are professional figures and it is right that we offer companies a job not only of quantity but above all of quality.
and it is equally right that we are assessed on qualitative aspects.
the work you must "merit" (not misunderstood, by charity). try to bring this question:
"Why does the company x have to choose me from another? What can I offer more than others? "
It's obvious that if you're young and unexperienced, at the same age, they take an engineer rather than a graduate.
On the one hand you are right gil, most companies do mortal jumps to move on. many even boast that they have achieved a great result only to not have fired.
on the other side he's right hunting. the few companies they hire want people who are experienced and able to give added value to the company.
and paradoxically they are also able to offer much more money than pre-crisis levels, both because the mobility of experienced people is very difficult both because they consider that figure a great added value for the company.
Basically, when there were fat cows, expert profiles changed work easily. Now they think about it 100 times. and to be "incentive" to change are proposed of the relevant economic figures.
Finally, I reply to this statement:
as he said hunting (quote every single word), it is right that it is so....with this crisis companies want people with sustained work experience, or as a minimum graduate people, so types like me who have only graduation have almost no chance of making careers, when the labor market is open only to the best
we are in a technical/technological field and resources must always be updated and ready to face a market that proceeds at an incredible speed.
How old are you? I presume it's 1989.
I am almost your peer (1984) and, although I am not obliged as I have already graduated, I still continue to study, I am informed, I deepen and deepen the topics related to my sector.
The message I want to get through is that we have to wake up, man!
we are not in the post office or supermarket cashiers (with all respect for these figures, we would miss anything else).
we are professional figures and it is right that we offer companies a job not only of quantity but above all of quality.
and it is equally right that we are assessed on qualitative aspects.
the work you must "merit" (not misunderstood, by charity). try to bring this question:
"Why does the company x have to choose me from another? What can I offer more than others? "
It's obvious that if you're young and unexperienced, at the same age, they take an engineer rather than a graduate.
Mauro89
Guest
hi hunter I am 24 years old, I understand that it is normal that companies hire the most experienced people, it is right that it is so, I condemn the system, I am in practice destined so not to be assumed because I do not have the requirements required, cmq I am trying in all ways to find a job also as an apprentice, I find myself still now to make announcements that does not need diploma, because when you go to see the experience
cacciatorino
Guest
So, if you answer an ad looking for a figure other than yours, it's normal you're discarded. If I look for pears and someone offers me apples......hi hunter I am 24 years old, I understand that it is normal that companies hire the most experienced people, it is right that it is so, I condemn the system, I am in practice destined so not to be assumed because I do not have the requirements required, cmq I am trying in all ways to find a job also as an apprentice, I find myself still now to make announcements that does not need diploma, because when you go to see the experience
If you're "proactive", in the sense that you're the one to propose to the possible company, at that point you can play on the fact that "look that you can do my internship for six months to 350 euros/month, and then maybe we do the apprenticeship for which you don't pay the contributions, etc etc." you put it in the presentation letter, not in the resume.