computation plaster

[Mauro66]

Hello, I am trying to compute the removal and new execution of plasters in a project with revit 2013, but I cannot set the filter "phase" inside my metric compute, in order to be able to divide the two groupings (yellows and red).
I created a new parameter under the "phase" type parameter group called "removal only" and then assigning it the "yes/no" parameter type. I then tried to write both the phase filter (transformation, in my case) and the phase itself (interventions) within the filter field of the properties of the compute, but without results. Where am I wrong?

thanks in advance for the collaboration.

 

[Alfredo Medina]

It's not very clear what you're doing. However, from what I understand, I do not see why it is not possible to filter the list according to the new parameters. Here is an example:

 

[Mauro66]

thanks to the cold for the intervention, even if I admit I have explained badly, because of my gaps regarding the management of abachi and computi. I was already at the point you mentioned, but only getting the disappearance of all rows from the list. my request is aimed at understanding whether it is correct to use the field created under the group "phase" and, if yes, with which filter. I searched online, but finding only generic answers and hardly applicable to my problem.

 

[Tristan]

The abacus is at all effects a view and therefore has its own phase of belonging. I doubt, if I have grasped the problem well, you can do in revit what you are trying to do

 

[Alfredo Medina]

... I had already reached the point you mentioned, but only getting the disappearance of all rows from the list.

if all rows disappeared from the list, it is because none of the rows correspond to the filter condition. you probably still need to enter the data.

my request is aimed at understanding whether it is correct to use the field created under the group "phase" and, if yes, with which filter. I searched online, but finding only generic answers and hardly applicable to my problem.

the parameter group is not important. the group is only a classification, to order parameters, but has no effect on data filtering.

 

[Mauro66]

what I would like to get are two separate tables for the plaster to be removed and the one to be executed, currently gathered under the stage (interventions).
Thank you.

 

[Alfredo Medina]

then, make two tables, with different filters. the second can be a duplicate, with the only difference in the filter.

 

[Mauro66]

Yes alfredo, I had thought so, but I can't insert a "intonac removed" field (and a corresponding "intonac performed") within the compute.
Sorry my insistence but I have no confidence in the tables, fields, parameters and filters... )

Mature

 

[Alfredo Medina]

I hope this will help you:

 

[Mauro66]

thanks to the cool all clear. But I realized that what I wanted to achieve is currently impossible, that is: assigning to a part (in this case a layer of plaster) a phase different from that assigned to its original origin (the wall), confirm me if so. That is, one cannot phase, for example a layer of plaster leaving the bare wall (even only on a face for example), and then remake it in the project interventions with another layer of coating.

 

[gfrank]

the "phase" of a layer follows that of its wall.
to do what you ask, it is necessary to "divide" the layers of the wall, by:
- in the state of fact create the bearing wall without the plaster, which will call to e.g.: carrying wall;
- create a second (and possibly third) wall, formed by the plaster alone, to be added (adjacent) to the "first" wall, which you will call e.g.: plaster wall
in practice you get the same structure, but it is composed of two (or three) walls: the first wall is that "bearing"; the wall (or two walls) outside adjacent are "the plaster"
in the project phase demolish the external wall (or two walls) or plaster; and then build the new (or new) plaster wall
by this method, selecting the walls called plaster and ordering them for demolition or construction phase, you can aggregate the characteristic data, including the surfaces.
I can't tell you if the intersections of the plaster wall can cause problems in the different stages.
in my opinion the use of filters, and the duplication of abachi is the best solution, as indicated by alfredo, also for a greater "speed" in the design

ps. if I remember well, in the tutorial section, there must be a tutorial (or a reference to the site)relative to the construction of the walls, as I told you above, applied for the coating

 

[Mauro66]

thanks gfrank for clarification. I had already done as you say in the past, I only thought that, with the introduction of the "parts", we could treat the wall as in reality (scrowing it and reintonating it again).
it would be nice that this possibility was introduced in a next release.
Good job.

 

[Mauro66]

on the basis of the above, I have a doubt then: what are the two check selectors "original creation phase" and original demilition phase", present in the group "phase"?

 

[gfrank]

I think you're right.
By reading the help online, the specific phases of demolition and creation can also be educated.
the two check selectors, serve to keep the parts "enhanced" to the respective original phases, if disabled, it is possible to attribute specific "different" phases from the original ones.
It should be achieved that, by demolishing a layer (part) in the design state, the relative abacus of the parts, appropriately set on "phase : project-filter: demolished" should give you the surface/volume of the only demolished part.
try and let us know...

 

[Mauro66]

the impossible thing to do is to demolish a part belonging to a wall in the phase "demolitions" and to reconstruct it ex novo in the phase "executions", as it is not possible to copy it in the notes and then to re-collar it with modified paraments. I misplaced the problem by inserting two "demolitions" and "constructions" fields of the type yes/no in the abbot. then, doing "show" for each element of the list, I decide whether that part manually must appear between the "demolites", the "built" or in both (in case e.g. of old plaster removed and subsequently restored).

 

[Alfredo Medina]

it is possible, but not with the approach that you are using, but in reality with the tools of "phase" of revit, using elements with phases, view established by the stages, abachi by stages, etc.