conic shape

[folle76]

Hello.
In the annex I create a disformed surface for a sform line (blue sketch) and tangent to certain surfaces. the command is: advanced-> tangent blend to surfaces.
my question is: can I create tangent sform surfaces to certain surfaces with constant grinding angle? i.e., can I deform tangent to certain surfaces without having to give the line of sform (which would be calculated by the cad if the angle of sform is given)?
in a very old cad used by the moulders (hot forging) this is possible.
Thank you.

 

[folle76]

I repeat the question. is it necessary to have included the additional module for the "freeform surfaces" to perform the conical molding above? Thank you.

 

[maxopus]

I think you can do it with the basic configuration (foundation xe).

 

[folle76]

I didn't mean I could do it. in the first post I say that I managed to get the symil-conic shaping with the basic functions. I ask: Is it possible to make conical deformation (with the above features) with the freeform surface functions or just cannot be done?

 

[maxopus]

but with freeform surfaces what do you mean, the surfaces made in isdx?

 

[folle76]

Yeah, well, I didn't remember the theme song.

 

[maxopus]

It's a form I don't use, so I can't give you an answer.
Let's see if anyone can give it to you.

 

[Prof.]

If I understand your need well I think you can do it with the isdx but you have to build the surface.
However, if you can do it with basic functions, you are appropriate.
Bye.

 

[gio14]

I repeat the question. is it necessary to have included the additional module for the "freeform surfaces" to perform the conical molding above? Thank you.

I may have misunderstood what you mean, but doing a model like this by following your way or using style surfaces does not seem to me the best route, I personally if I had to run this model I would follow a very simple road
1) I extrude a parallelepiped 2) the sform 3) I make the roundings.
then maybe I got it wrong and yours was just an example to use certain features

 

[folle76]

I make a premise. the function I want is not indispensable to draw molds of course. and it is a curiosity.
I now design hot forged finished pieces (50% of the pieces drawing). I now use proe and usually start from the theoretical profile of the tranciabava and come up with the sforms (where there are clearly unformed roundings), also because I have functional quotas that must be respected and these quotas lie on the theoretical half-work of the plan of the dies. work as for the eighth cylinder on the left (I must respect the 200 on the bava beam).
1) Deform the vertical wall
2) fittings and is finished

I worked for a while in a print shop and there were some pieces where the odds lying on the half-mill of the mold are not controlled and, indeed, if you hold a little overmetal for the eventual processing is all earned.
They used cad euklid, no parametric, no work plans, no snap, a disaster. you had to move by typing coordinates and moving on the keyboard. the only advantage: rays that pass everywhere, even if then they open "good" in the geo, but so much then go to cam and see us. cmq is to say that it was a historical cad for all printers even if it now made its time.
http://www.euklid-cadcam.de/However, they had a conical shape. so the cylinder came out as to the right of the .pdf. (I tried to imitate the sform, but obviously it is not correct), in case you have to guarantee 200 as theoretical intersection.
1) make the cylinder with the vertical wall.
2) Deform everything with that kind of sform.

Let's say it here, it doesn't change much. we are in the field of sophism. but when I saw that there were these particular types of deformed (inserted->blend tangent surfaces) I wondered why there was no such particular type of conical deformed at a constant angle of deformed, which, sincerely, is bellino (va well, not having a great deal of social life lately I have been exploring all the functions of offspring).
Bye.

 

[gio14]

Unfortunately when I happen to dispose of such pieces I have to compromise, in the sense that there will always be a profile that bends (if I have to realize pieces with at least 15° of disform is a disaster)

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

in the mold module there is this feature, there is no need for isdx.

greetings

 

[folle76]

I can't find him in the mold module. Can you tell me where I find it in the menu, please?

 

[maxopus]

I can't find him in the mold module. Can you tell me where I find it in the menu, please?

You have the mold module and you can't use it?
mumble mumble ... I think a company that buys such a form or does you do a course or joins you with a person who knows how to use it, these things should not be learned on a forum.

I have a specialist module that is the rex but, I did not learn about cad3d to use it.

 

[folle76]

Here's the ptc torquemada.
1) My uncle (peace to his soul) worked in the molds. the children took over the activity, but after a little they had to close (assures them). from the bankruptcy auction comes out pc that I took that installed wf 3.0 with the mold module. Can I avoid attaching photos of my relatives with the license to use the software in the hands?
2) companies often do not make courses. they don't give the time to learn. Fortunately there are tryout editions or that for students, and there are people like me and many others who banged to prove to the company itself that the software works and that therefore can buy it.
3) my company asks me if the mold module can serve us and it's okay. He doesn't make us a demo. He doesn't trust retailers. if there's something wrong with me. You don't work like that, I know. but the company that feeds me works like that. I don't think I'm the only one.
4) if people used the most Indians who answer the phone (but you have to be in maintenance) (and my company is) and did the right training and studied the online guide, this forum and also the official forum of the ptc could close (you don't understand why it exists among other things, since to attend it you are in maintenance and so you can ask the omniscient Indians). actually that forum is a mine for developers: new ideas, bugs, etc... and also this is a mine in its own way.

all these clarifications (which I will never do again) distract attention. Does anyone using the mold module know how to do the sform?

 

[maxopus]

I didn't mean to argue with you... and I didn't want to know all your story and I'm neither torquemada... nor ptc, I'm a simple designer who uses pro/e.

I just wanted to tell you that learning to use specialized modules of any cad without a minimum of support, makes it waste a lot of time and patience.
you are your salary employers are happy so... good for them

 

[SHIREN]

Excuse me.
I do not use pro!!!! !
but mastic a bit of molds
but if there are no specific modules??? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Did we make the moulds with the necessary corners of the sheet??? ?
Thank you very much

 

[maxopus]

Excuse me.
I do not use pro!!!! !
but mastic a bit of molds
but if there are no specific modules??? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Did we make the moulds with the necessary corners of the sheet??? ?
Thank you very much

Hi, enzo, you'd do them in a manner, like you used to do.
even the plates once developed by hand... but it took a lot of extra time.

if you know the starting data you can also model the surfaces with their exact angle, without applying the deformed function.
the pro/e sform is also bypassable in many cases with the variable section sweep.
the problem arises when you get a complex (3d neutral) step (we talk about non-planar surfaces) and on this you have to apply the sforms later.

and you will ask me... and what he did the step didn't know that the piece was supposed to have the crack? ... and here dear enzo the tongue beats where the tooth duole.

 

[SHIREN]

Hi, enzo, you'd do them in a manner, like you used to do.
even the plates once developed by hand... but it took a lot of extra time.

if you know the starting data you can also model the surfaces with their exact angle, without applying the deformed function.
the pro/e sform is also bypassable in many cases with the variable section sweep.
the problem arises when you get a complex (3d neutral) step (we talk about non-planar surfaces) and on this you have to apply the sforms later.

and you will ask me... and what he did the step didn't know that the piece was supposed to have the crack? ... and here dear enzo the tongue beats where the tooth duole.

:biggrin:
was just a provocation to animate a moment the content of the discussion
I have probes of step- jges to edit for molding is always on the agenda
hello max

 

[folle76]

I didn't mean to argue with you... and I didn't want to know all your story and I'm neither torquemada... nor ptc, I'm a simple designer who uses pro/e.

I just wanted to tell you that learning to use specialized modules of any cad without a minimum of support, makes it waste a lot of time and patience.
you are your salary employers are happy so... good for them

Thank you for the clarification and I agree with you. I predicted that my thing was still a curiosity. I explored various proe modules, thanks to the guides, without any real interest of my company in this regard. I've always been a curious one and a little man and, unfortunately and fortunately, my company has been comfortable (I chose a great cad system and, last year, I customized it to the great management system). Figured that the cad didn't even have in mind to buy it and paid 150 euros to be modeled the piece by the molder. not to mention that, being different the cads of the moldists and that from a 2d in autocad you can pull out 100 models slightly different, between one piece and the other of the same "series" you see of the unevenness of modeling. for charity we make poor products technologically, but when you start making 10 million euros of turnover per year you also have to make the company more professional.