conical beam of proes with inventor2012

[Alby189]

hi to everyone, I used the search function but I found nothing to do with my case, I get to the point:
our designer has created a geometry with proes, now we will have to reproduce it with inventor 2012, but at the time of creating a conical radius we are unclean, in the sense that we can not find inv2012 the suitable command.
proe has the specific command similar to the bevel two distance of inv, in the 2012 version the radius is not feasible with that function, to make you understand better I attach a pdf with images of what I mean, in the third image (red) you can see the yellow line that would be the profile of the connection with variable radius.
You know how to do that? we come from inv10, and we do not know well the news of 2012...
Thank you! :finger:

 

[maxopus]

I doubt that this is a conical rounding (for conical rounding in pro/e means a conical section rounding ... not circular).
It could be a variable section radius, which is another thing.

 

[Alby189]

we have verified, in the proe the used command is: rounding d1xd2 conical, which would be a type of rounding of proes.

 

[maxopus]

we have verified, in the proe the used command is: rounding d1xd2 conical, which would be a type of rounding of proes.

caxxarola, I had only seen the first image ... I ask vein :smile:

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

caxxarola, I had only seen the first image ... I ask vein :smile:

you are becoming old max.

Let's see you're making up inventors!

 

[maxopus]

you are becoming old max.
Let's see you're making up inventors!

You're good... otherwise the bulirone gets up:smile:, I don't even feel like it here, it's on the other side that I'll take off a touch of those I've ever seen.
Have you noticed how much I make them talk?
When I show them how the udfs work in the assembly environment will drop the jaw by forum :smile: and you will sell thousand thousand thousand brokenfl licenses

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

You're good... otherwise the bulirone gets up:smile:, I don't even feel like it here, it's on the other side that I'll take off a touch of those I've ever seen.
Have you noticed how much I make them talk?
When I show them how the udfs work in the assembly environment will drop the jaw by forum :smile: and you will sell thousand thousand thousand brokenfl licenses

What discussion do you mean?
Maybe I missed it...:wink:

 

[MBT]

to ozzy, when he hears the words "selling licenses", they turn his eyes and become like those of duck, only that instead of the $ symbol appears Quentin

 

[maxopus]

What discussion do you mean?
Maybe I missed it...:wink:

to that with the welded, the pdms and various menades.
To touch them on the birth 'the fuff dealers, but see when they grow what happens?

But not in this discussion... we are preventing it.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

to ozzy, when he hears the words "selling licenses", they turn his eyes and become like those of duck, only that instead of the $ symbol appears Quentin

I've never sold a poor license here...
However the eye lights up.. .

to that with the welded, the pdms and various menades.
To touch them on the birth 'the fuff dealers, but see when they grow what happens?

But not in this discussion... we are preventing it.

but that I would never manage it with the great fdu, there is something even more powerful trusted.
Anyway we're not here, we're already impeding! :smile:

 

[Alby189]

Boys do good!!
I think everyone knows about inventor's hairs compared to proes, but the fact that here the house offers this and I have to adapt!

solutions for that radius in inventor? ?
already tried with a sweep and a loft, but it is not perfect, the radius does not keep the tangences... help!!!! !

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Boys do good!!
I think everyone knows about inventor's hairs compared to proes, but the fact that here the house offers this and I have to adapt!

solutions for that radius in inventor? ?
already tried with a sweep and a loft, but it is not perfect, the radius does not keep the tangences... help!!!! !

But no alby, closed speech is perfectly right.
I wanted to give you the tip of the sweep, too, I agreed to maintain the continuity of the surface, otherwise you're screwed. . .

 

[gianluigi]

Hello alby, I would act like this, copy the beam surfaces then import them into inventor.
then as a second operation I would join them to your solid.
Hello gianluigi

 

[Alby189]

Interesting. Tomorrow I try!
So do you confirm that in inv2012 there is no command similar to that of proe? I hoped there was and I didn't find it! :

 

[Tarkus]

I doubt that this is a conical rounding (for conical rounding in pro/e means a conical section rounding ... not circular).
It could be a variable section radius, which is another thing.

make a poor inventor user understand:
The round-section rounding is clear, but by conical section what exactly do you mean, maybe elliptical?

 

[maxopus]

make a poor inventor user understand:
The round-section rounding is clear, but by conical section what exactly do you mean, maybe elliptical?

tarkus, in the automotive field are used rays whose section is a conical curve of which can be established values (equal or different on the two sides) and the degree of "conicity" (value that goes from 0 to 1 depending on the acuity).
I attach two examples images with two different values of the degree of conicity.

 

[Alby189]

make a poor inventor user understand:
The round-section rounding is clear, but by conical section what exactly do you mean, maybe elliptical?

sincerely I don't understand why to call it conical, the explanation of maxopus is clear, but I never sell used that command I don't know its potential. in the end cmq the isult seems an elliptical section, although in reality it is not at all.
look at the pdf I posted at the beginning, and together with the maxopus ones will make you understand what we are talking about.
In the end we couldn't redesign it with inventor, if we continue like this, in order to go ahead we will use the step from proe and we will send forward that! :frown:

 

[maxopus]

sincerely I don't understand why to call it conical, the explanation of maxopus is clear, but

You're wrong about this. :smile:
if you have studied mathematical analysis you will know that by conical section you mean the geometric place derived from the intersection of a plan with a cone.
if the intersection plane is parallel to the passing plane for the base of the cone you will have a circle (which is a case defined degenre or singular), if the plane forms a corner from the base you will have depending on the circumstances, an ellipse, a parable or an hyperbole.

on wikipedia there is a quite dignified definition.http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/sezione_conica

 

[Alby189]

You know, I didn't study math at all! but your explanation is very clear, I completely ignored the meaning of that command, but now I know what it means! :finger:
Thank you, I'll try to get a closer look at this. :mixed:

 

[Alby189]

one thing however amazes me, pkè in inventor are there no solid modeling commands like this?! arrived at 2012 I feel like I am told by the designer: we cannot support all the limitations of the program by compromising aesthetics.. .
It is also true that by insisting I could get something like this, but the times tighten and we're always running, so I'm going to have to send to the moldist the proe step...
Just to get an idea: What price difference is between inv2012pro and prow wf5?? to understand if there is such a difference to justify so many shortcomings. . .

I had also thought of passing it on fusion, and see if there is something, but as we have installed 2012 for a few days, we are not yet able to work on regimen, could it be a solution?