consiglio software tornitura

[kail]

I signed up now, and I've already introduced myself.
I own a lathe cnc mori seiki sl-25 of 1986 to 2 axes (non motorized).
The cnc you use to program is an antiquated fanuc 10-t.
the programming results to say little difficult cause
cnc passed and lack of graphics.
in fact this machine is almost always unused because we use another cnc + modern lathe.
I wanted to ask you for advice to purchase a software (cad cam) only turning for 2 simple axes (if it exists) and cheap to try to revive the machine otherwise I would be tempted to sell it. . .
Besides, it doesn't even have graphics. .
the post processor should be able to make it customized by who sells me softare and at what costs?
or do programs usually have post processors that fit every cnc? without making it tailor-made?
Thank you.

 

[kail]

No one answers me? thank you

 

[Meccbell]

Calm down, the forum isn't a token distributor of answers.
a little patience and someone will answer you

In the meantime, if you haven't already, I suggest you read your previous posts, better if using the search function, and you'll see that you'll find some answers to your question.

 

[kail]

I'm sorry, I've been looking, but I haven't found anything about it.
a cheap cad (not free) of only turning.
I apologize for "impatience" you receive an answer.. .

 

[TheMik]

............ .
a cheap cad (not free) of only turning.
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small clarification: with a cad Don't come back.
For the rest, on a lathe 2 axes, a cam I see quite wasted. a good knowledge of iso programming and technical design, sometimes are more than enough. However, it always depends on the type of details and work you have to do.

 

[kail]

Sorry I meant a cad cam.
In short, I was looking for an economic program because, as it is now, programming is too complicated (processor ray compensation better not to use it peerically, most of the time generates errors, and is useful in case of conical turning, etc.). So I can never use the tool ray compensation code. . .
even if I have to tilt with a radius I have to run
to the cad without being able to do it directly in the car....(super control).
I've got to do a few pieces, sometimes even one, so sometimes it's more time than I'm planning on doing the piece...

 

[Meccbell]

All right, mik, but he says that with his cn writing a program is a torment.
control is of a generation of times in which cncs were made almost only pieces of big series or extremely complicated, such as to shock the hours and hours used to write the program in the machine due to lack of graphics and other aids, type bevels and automatic fittings, certain fixed cycles and parametric programming. not to mention the time used for the verification and correction of the program during the startup phase.
Now you can't afford the luxury of employing, for example, 1 hour to write and test a program for a piece that you work in 5-10 minutes.
So a good cam gives you the opportunity to break down programming times and makes machines with dated controls relatively competitive.

The problem, rather, is another.
This is what you can find at low cost, not to say free, but that has the indispensable characteristics of reliability and flexibility to make it truly productive.
about the free, if things are still as they were until about 2 or 3 years ago, we are practically zero, if you exclude good programs at the most to begin to understand what a cam is.
for the low cost I believe that everything depends on what is meant by "low", in the sense that for less than 2500-3000 euros I think there is nothing and perhaps also so 'to be calculated the extra expense' for a possible customization of the postprocessor and for the training course.

 

[MFT]

Sorry I meant a cad cam.
In short, I was looking for an economic program because, as it is now, programming is too complicated (processor ray compensation better not to use it peerically, most of the time generates errors, and is useful in case of conical turning, etc.). So I can never use the tool ray compensation code. . .
even if I have to tilt with a radius I have to run
to the cad without being able to do it directly in the car....(super control).
I've got to do a few pieces, sometimes even one, so sometimes it's more time than I'm planning on doing the piece...

Hi.

depends on how economic you mean, however we talk at least of thousands of euros.
to my client who is more or less in your mastercam situation asked him about 4000 euros and 700 euros to make the dedicated post-processor, then I do not know if there is anything more economical

Mar

 

[Preparation-H]

Hi.

I don't know if it can do your case, but try to give an eye to ez cam turn express is a "light" version costs on 1000€...
http://www.ezcam.com/web/products/ezturn_express.htmI don't know it, but you can download a demo from the site, which has no time limit, the only limitation you have is that it doesn't save the files you generate.. .

Hi.
p-h

 

[kail]

Thank you.
and for the post-processor ?

 

[MFT]

Thank you.
and for the post-processor ?

depends on the type of control that has the machine, usually some cams have post-processor defaults you have to see if in that cam there are. Otherwise you just have to do it by buying the software, the fanuc usually a generic-iso but you have to see.

Hi.

 

[kail]

My writing is a 1986 fanuc 10t.
If I have to buy the software indicated above how much should I spend about it to make me do the post-processor?
Does anyone know about a post processor that could fit my control?
It's still a fanuc, but there are post processors already made for fanuc.
slightly different I could already use.
Thank you.

 

[kail]

I'm sorry. I just read the previous posts now. You've mostly answered me.
....redface:
So I have to spend a bit if I want to reawaken my old cnc (which from the mechanical point of view is a bomb, seen the rigidity of the machine).

 

[MFT]

I'm sorry. I just read the previous posts now. You've mostly answered me.
....redface:
So I have to spend a bit if I want to reawaken my old cnc (which from the mechanical point of view is a bomb, seen the rigidity of the machine).

Hi.

as I have already had the opportunity to tell you mastercam implements in itself already of the default post-processor including there is a generic fanuc that should go well retouching it slightly. but this post you only have if you buy the software (4000 euros approximately) and then if it is not okay the post and you have to do it and for mastercam (700 euros approximately). Obviously not told but every cam software needs its post dedicated to software, so if you have mastercam post for mastercam if you have edge cam post for edge cam and so on.
I hope I've been clear. If you have any other questions, we're here.
Mar

 

[kail]

I have an edge cam dealer a few miles from me.
for the cheap + software that linked me first is only available via the internet?
and then who would do the post if I bought it that way (internet).

 

[MFT]

I have an edge cam dealer a few miles from me.
for the cheap + software that linked me first is only available via the internet?
and then who would do the post if I bought it that way (internet).

the post must be done by those of the cam if you look at this link tells you what it does and does not do ezcam
http://www.ezcam.com/web/products/products.htma post processor editor means you can fill out a dedicated post but I can't tell you how to use it.

etched edge cam has costs equal if not higher than mastercam

Hi.

 

[MFT]

I only saw now that there is a post library you have to see for which controls,
However preparation-h reported the link but it is not that we can even look at you whether or not you would have looked at it more carefully.

Hi.

 

[kail]

Okay, you're right.
As soon as I have a little time I'm running out of the demo.
I wanted to ask you how those who sell you do
the cam to make the post processor?
Is it not that they take the manual of the machine tool and use the cycles in the machine and put them in the program generated by the cam?
I also heard of cams that generate a program in iso without cycles (in this case, I think , maybe it would not serve any post processor - the disadvantage would be in the high number of lines generated to make a program and the insufficient consequence memory of the cnc, especially the old cncs).
However the manual (totally in English of my mori seiki) is done very badly, especially there are cycles that cannot be understood how they function because they are explained in an incomprehensible way).
in addition to the fact that it also contains errors (type the bevel at 45 degrees that on the manual is indicated with a positive sign but that in reality
be executed in need of less sign: for example to make a bevel
of 2x45 degrees I have to write k-2 and not k 2)the manual says the opposite.
I think if to make me a post processor they rely on my manual
they will not have simple life.
It's not that when they do a post processor they use different methods
like asking for the help of the fanuc to avoid errors?

 

[MFT]

Okay, you're right.
As soon as I have a little time I'm running out of the demo.
I wanted to ask you how those who sell you do
the cam to make the post processor?
Is it not that they take the manual of the machine tool and use the cycles in the machine and put them in the program generated by the cam?
I also heard of cams that generate a program in iso without cycles (in this case, I think , maybe it would not serve any post processor - the disadvantage would be in the high number of lines generated to make a program and the insufficient consequence memory of the cnc, especially the old cncs).
However the manual (totally in English of my mori seiki) is done very badly, especially there are cycles that cannot be understood how they function because they are explained in an incomprehensible way).
in addition to the fact that it also contains errors (type the bevel at 45 degrees that on the manual is indicated with a positive sign but that in reality
be executed in need of less sign: for example to make a bevel
of 2x45 degrees I have to write k-2 and not k 2)the manual says the opposite.
I think if to make me a post processor they rely on my manual
they will not have simple life.
It's not that when they do a post processor they use different methods
like asking for the help of the fanuc to avoid errors?

so the post-processor is nothing but a file that transforms your tool path made with the cam in machine language (g01,g03,ecc) compiles the list with the blocks to understand us.
each control has its own codes that can sometimes coincide with those iso for other controls can be different (see selca for example).
you can give yourself that there are cams that do not generate cycles however both who does the post refers to machine control. to ask for help to fanuc I do not believe also because those from experience just raise the phone part the meter :biggrin:
Hi.

 

[MFT]

Excuse a question, but how much do you want to spend? because if you think you're going to have a cam with a post less than 1000 euros I see it very hard.

Hi.