cost models for cast iron foundry

[villan.2]

Hello everyone, I'm an electrician with zero mechanical consencies.
I'm going through my head to make a line of cast iron stoves; for a cost analysis I would like to know, at large lines, how much it can cost (or at least one price scissors) a model for foundry for a medium-sized stove; to those who turn (artists, specialized companies...) and what materials (wood, resin.... )
I know you would like to see at least one design, but I just need indicative figures, to see if I can carry out my project. . .
thanks to all

Valuation

 

[PCUBE]

to make the models of a stove it is advisable to use a milling system. it will be possible to assess whether to integrate cnc processing with rapid prototyping for the details of the project presenting subsquadra.
At the same size of a stove, for example 40x60x77 cm, the cost of making the model for the foundry will depend on the number of components of the stove, the thicknesses in play and the type of material used.

the indicative cost for your project could be about € 1.500,00/€2.500,00, but I could be more accurate if I knew something more.

 

[SHIREN]

Hi.
I don't know how to respond
commercial evaluation of models for foundry
should be done on executive drawings
in the construction of them there are too many variations that aumnetano or decrease to dismix the price
Maybe if or understood well you have to make one piece we call it prototype
Maybe it would be good if you would make polystyrene foam models
But before continuing with "the operation" it would be better to ask the foundry the price per kg of the fusion
Of course you have to carry at least the drawings and weights
Thank you very much

 

[villan.2]

to make the models of a stove it is advisable to use a milling system. it will be possible to assess whether to integrate cnc processing with rapid prototyping for the details of the project presenting subsquadra.
At the same size of a stove, for example 40x60x77 cm, the cost of making the model for the foundry will depend on the number of components of the stove, the thicknesses in play and the type of material used.

the indicative cost for your project could be about € 1.500,00/€2.500,00, but I could be more accurate if I knew something more.

thank you very much for the answer, unfortunately I am evaluating the feasibility and I have not yet the drawings; I can tell you that it should be 10 or 15 pieces in cast iron, I can send you an explosion of competition, of course I don't want to copy anything but the parts of a stove are always gross. I have in mind to realize something a little less articulated.
I asked some craft models and asked me from 4000 to 10000 euros for a wooden model (which would immediately stop my project for too high costs).

in case you could tell me who to turn to to make drawings and prototypes?
I have seen the products of your company and maybe among your customers there are those who care about the sector of my interest. . .

I have seen that there are foundries that are equipped to realize also models, I would like this solution to avoid problems and recollections of responsibility if there were any problems.

 

[IPdesign]

according to my experience the figure proposed by pcube is too optimistic.
the figures that have been given to you by the artisan models instead seem correct.
calculates that the model craftsman practically realizes the prototype "hand", so the times are long.
If you want to make a 3d design and make it fresare you should keep in counter the expense to make your stove model in 3d by a "cad craftsman":biggrin:
and even here the costs are not bass, I think the base of 1500€/2500€ is not enough for the modeling and verification 3d of your piece, to which you must necessarily add the milling.

I invite pcube to specify what it could provide for that figure and what it needs as input to do it :finger:

 

[PCUBE]

Hello ipdesign

when I indicated the figure Villan.2 had not yet shown anything about his project. had only asked how much it could cost a model of a stove for foundry. the figure I indicated was clearly indicative and reported to the hypothetical measures of stove that I inserted in the post. when I wrote "the indicative cost for your project could be about € 1.500,00/€2.500,00" I was referring only to the part of the prototype realization not to the design.

Given the drawings, surely there will be to work!
I recommend to villan.2 to contact those who already have an experience with the foundries and perhaps even on that type of product. I have reason to believe that you can complete your project with reasonable costs, lower than those asked by craftsmen for the only wooden model.

 

[villan.2]

I thank you very much for your indications I am looking on the internet "modern" foundries that also take care of models.... for now I found this
http://www.fonderiamorini.com/it/homeIf you who are in the industry know how to tell me someone... the councils are well accepted.

I am doing some studies to see if this can become a real enterprise... I’m also looking for a trusted partner, (realizing a company by myself I think it’s really too challenging) someone who’s satisfied with the industry, if it passes by this forum can contact me.
Thank you very much

 

[MauroM]

morini is an aluminum foundry, ok write that in collaboration they can also provide cast iron, but I would let go.

 

[flaviobrio88]

modelling craftsmen pistoiese
http://nuke.modartpt.it/contatti/tabid/55/default.aspx

modind
http://www.modind.it/

 

[SHIREN]

thank you very much for the answer, unfortunately I am considering
I asked some craft models and asked me from 4000 to 10000 euros for a wooden model (which would immediately stop my project for too high costs).

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Hi.
I just saw the explosive
Maybe with 10000 € there's no do
I'll tell you
all stove accessories have a thickness of 7-8-mm
because otherwise you are out of the market with the weights of the fuses
Therefore you have to apply everything on model plates that hold anchored the model to not make it board and consequently have castings we call straight
there are details that need plate and annealed counterplate
there are the feet that need anime speakers
and logical that the foundry will not ask you a plaque not with a model
but with 4 5 6 8 modelswith relative casting technology
that in some cases can cost as much as the modelbecause it must have a yield between the ratio stirs sand resin and weight obtained
seems na easy
but the probes that arise in such products
As a result, investment also adapts
having already done such things even for fireplaces stoves etc
contact a foundry before calling the modeler
foundry mora brescia
foundry scm rimini
foundry pisano&c sale
foundry brothers torelli battepaglia
foundry carnival roma
p.s. in the field you will have to confront Chinese products
Italian products only concern high-tech stoves and fireplaces
Thank you very much

 

[IPdesign]

Hi.
I just saw the explosive
Maybe with 10000 € there's no do
I'll tell you
all stove accessories have a thickness of 7-8-mm
because otherwise you are out of the market with the weights of the fuses
Therefore you have to apply everything on model plates that hold anchored the model to not make it board and consequently have castings we call straight
there are details that need plate and annealed counterplate
there are the feet that need anime speakers
and logical that the foundry will not ask you a plaque not with a model
but with 4 5 6 8 modelswith relative casting technologythat in some cases can cost as much as the modelbecause it must have a yield between the ratio stirs sand resin and weight obtained
seems na easy
but the probes that arise in such products
As a result, investment also adapts
having already done such things even for fireplaces stoves etc
contact a foundry before calling the modeler
foundry mora brescia
foundry scm rimini
foundry pisano&c sale
foundry brothers torelli battepaglia
foundry carnival roma
p.s. in the field you will have to confront Chinese products
Italian products only concern high-tech stoves and fireplaces
Thank you very much

Finally someone who from an index of costs with knowledge of cause demonstrating competence in the field.
Good shiren . :4425:
until this intervention I thought I was the only one who had heard of non-consistent figures.
Unfortunately not being my specific sector, but having matured only some experiences in the branch of fusion prototypes I thought something had emptied me in the estimate of this work.

 

[villan.2]

Hi.
I just saw the explosive
Maybe with 10000 € there's no do
I'll tell you
all stove accessories have a thickness of 7-8-mm
because otherwise you are out of the market with the weights of the fuses
Therefore you have to apply everything on model plates that hold anchored the model to not make it board and consequently have castings we call straight
there are details that need plate and annealed counterplate
there are the feet that need anime speakers
and logical that the foundry will not ask you a plaque not with a model
but with 4 5 6 8 modelswith relative casting technology
that in some cases can cost as much as the modelbecause it must have a yield between the ratio stirs sand resin and weight obtained
seems na easy
but the probes that arise in such products
As a result, investment also adapts
having already done such things even for fireplaces stoves etc
contact a foundry before calling the modeler
foundry mora brescia
foundry scm rimini
foundry pisano&c sale
foundry brothers torelli battepaglia
foundry carnival roma
p.s. in the field you will have to confront Chinese products
Italian products only concern high-tech stoves and fireplaces
Thank you very much

Thank you very much for your advice, to hear who has already worked in the field is very important to me, I know that a company of genre starting from scratch like me is not trivial, but this year for the company in which I work really pulls a bad air and I have to invent something exciting for my future. . .

So according to your experience it would take us to say 15000 euros to realize only the model (or even the realization of a first casting?) of a hypothetical stove similar to that of the expoloso.
the question is that I should realize at least 3 different models of stoves to offer a certain range of products to customers, perhaps by planning to use joint parts for some models so as to optimize the costs (as the car industries do with the planes of different products)

I have seen the foundries you have reported to me and seem interesting; Thank you very much for everything

for Chinese products maybe you're right but I thought I'd make quality products with special innovations... I have documented myself and for the coming years that of biomass heating should have a certain increase (with gas costs it is not difficult to believe it. . . )

 

[SHIREN]

Finally someone who from an index of costs with knowledge of cause demonstrating competence in the field.
Good shiren . :4425:
until this intervention I thought I was the only one who had heard of non-consistent figures.
Unfortunately not being my specific sector, but having matured only some experiences in the branch of fusion prototypes I thought something had emptied me in the estimate of this work.

Hi.
......rolleyes
I can answer with my motto
sitting in front of a computer from the lack of knowledge
But!!! ! ! ! ! ! !
Knowing is no other thing:wink:
and you belong to the second hypothesis
Thank you very much

 

[IPdesign]

Hi.
......rolleyes
I can answer with my motto
sitting in front of a computer from the lack of knowledge
But!!! ! ! ! ! ! !
Knowing is no other thing:wink:
and you belong to the second hypothesis
Thank you very much

Thanks shiren, I don't think it's a matter of "knowledge" and I take advantage of your assist to open an ot on this

I think rather that there is a communication problem and I explain better: often in this sector (fast prototyping) it is believed that it is enough to provide a 3d model to the hypothetical supplier to have what we need.
you neglect to communicate a very important fact that is "what I have to do" with the product that I ask you supplier.

I happen to be a client who asks you a detail in laminated abs and then discovers that we have to do some deflagration tests, you have read well .. this client had to test the estate of his final piece to explosions and claimed to have similar data to the final piece using a prototype.
and you had to feel like it was taken when I told him that it was not possible! He dismissed me that I probably didn't have proper machinery!

and here comes into play our seriousness, if you are correct, explain to the customer that no prototype will have the same characteristics per printed piece, sometimes it will approach him, but very often not so much to have the same data found .
Unfortunately, however, there are a tide of service with a commercial soul who do not know what they are selling and promise their potential customers science fiction performance that will not be maintained.

I understand that what I'm writing might be interpreted as a denigration of the work of some colleagues, but many times it would be the case of saying "it's not my field, I at most can provide you this or this" or "it's the first time I get a request like this, let's just explain a moment and see what I can do for you "

I would like that in a forum like our user to look over and find professionals who can support it, who can ask for more information when there is not enough before providing false hopes.

how many times I wonder about private quotations, I don't count anymore, as I don't know the times I explain that a prototype cannot be related to the cost of industrial production ..

and here I go back to topic and I hope villan.2 allows me an ear ring ..
If in detail a decent stove of that size I go to pay 800/1000 €, it is consistent to think that a prototype of the same cannot objectively cost only double, otherwise each house would have its own custom stove .
the cost of research and development you are doing must inevitably be spread over a number of production pieces that nowadays is increasing in order to maintain the cost of the final product at competitive levels .

The right objection is: but then I have a good idea I can't face adventure and try to put myself on the market?
Surely but you must have a nice little bit to invest or look for investors who support you.

to you the word :bekle:

 

[Tequila]

Hi.
......rolleyes
I can answer with my motto
sitting in front of a computer from the lack of knowledge
But!!! ! ! ! ! ! !
Knowing is no other thing:wink:
and you belong to the second hypothesis
Thank you very much

or as I say... who knows and who doesn't know

and here I go back to topic and I hope villan.2 allows me an ear ring ..
If in detail a decent stove of that size I go to pay 800/1000 €, it is consistent to think that a prototype of the same cannot objectively cost only double, otherwise each house would have its own custom stove .
the cost of research and development you are doing must inevitably be spread over a number of production pieces that nowadays is increasing in order to maintain the cost of the final product at competitive levels .

The right objection is: but then I have a good idea I can't face adventure and try to put myself on the market?
Surely but you must have a nice little bit to invest or look for investors who support you.

to you the word :bekle:

I agree, bearing in mind that this sector currently has a lot of competition. My brother who works in building the electronic cards for these stoves, for a big company in the industry, have as small batches of 1500 tabs at a time, as their production of new products is calculated in providing each retailer in Italy and abroad of at least 1 new product to be exhibited. they have exactly 1500 dealers scattered around and do not sell only 1 model, but they have a series of lines that goes from pellet stoves, wood, etc.
to enter into an area where there is already a well-started competition and where even the Chinese say their, you must have clear ideas and covered shoulders (soldi or investors) and surely propose innovation

 

[villan.2]

and here I go back to topic and I hope villan.2 allows me an ear ring ..
If in detail a decent stove of that size I go to pay 800/1000 €, it is consistent to think that a prototype of the same cannot objectively cost only double, otherwise each house would have its own custom stove .
the cost of research and development you are doing must inevitably be spread over a number of production pieces that nowadays is increasing in order to maintain the cost of the final product at competitive levels .

The right objection is: but then I have a good idea I can't face adventure and try to put myself on the market?
Surely but you must have a nice little bit to invest or look for investors who support you.

to you the word :bekle:

Thank you for keeping my discussion alive and helping me understand how things work in the industry; but since I am a technician myself (of other matter and very ignorant in this..); I would like to point out that I did not claim to have the work at 1500 euros and I know very well that it should be spread over a large series production. only that having consulted two artisans who produce wooden models for foundry and having obtained two estimates, one double of the other: eek: I wanted to make clarity.. and I thought that with an automatic system like cad cam you could reduce costs compared to a "manual" job that I think takes much more time.. .
obviously evaluating the various systems I would choose the one with the best price quality ratio. . .

I'm sorry for the punctuation, I've been trying because if there's someone who respects the work of others and doesn't think it's all simple and banal, it's just me... But it is also true that there is always some subject that takes advantage of people just because they do not chew the matter.. .

 

[IPdesign]

I'm sorry for the punctuation, I've been trying because if there's someone who respects the work of others and doesn't think it's all simple and banal, it's just me... But it is also true that there is always some subject that takes advantage of people just because they do not chew the matter.. .

Yes, Villan.2 the purpose of the answer was not to discredit your lawful question and discussion, it was precisely to highlight that sometimes reality is more complex than what objectively you can hope for.

 

[SHIREN]

Thanks shiren, I don't think it's a matter of "knowledge" and I take advantage of your assist to open an ot on this

(rapid prototyping ) is believed to provide a 3d model to the hypothetical supplier to have what we need.


:

hi ip...... .
You know what the prob...
on this side is likely to find people prepared with adequate technical preparation and with decades of experience on the groppone

on the other hand and likely that the entrepreneur is more prepared on fiscal issues
commercial as it must save on taxes as it must send people to full cash as it must ....................................................
then when you go on an investment for certain items he was advised to make before the prototypes

an illuminating body becomes nu lampione
a model for foundry becomes nu piezzo and wood
a prototype in abs becomes nu piezzo and plastic
a control blade becomes shaped
a technical design becomes nu sheet and paper!!!!!!!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
and I could go on forever
Unfortunately, the idea is widespread that to be an entrepreneur in the technical or metal engineering sector
you have to freguentare ray and the faculty of economy and commerce maybe to the mouth
I know only children of workers
It seems to me that getting your hands dirty or smelling of emulsifying oil has become degrading:
Thank you very much

 

[3DZ]

Is it possible? We could do something interesting: chalk, resin.

Let's hear it.
marco.panizzoli@3dz.it