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Good morning.
how does it work when I go to do an off-site course and I have to leave before working time and cause distance to return after normal end of work?
Should extra hours be put as extraordinary? or should they not be counted?
 
more than understandable the desire not to appear advantageous in the eyes of the company, advancing requests for compensation not due.

the company sends you to a training course. It does because, even if you were hired to perform a specific job, you don't have the knowledge to do it.
the time you use to fill these gaps is paid as if you were productive and generated useful. the cost of such training is supported by the company, which not only does not earn, but spends in your name.
in this situation, your rag is knowing if the time to go to the course should be paid even more...

Of course it is important not to look bad towards others, but it should also be in its own. Did you ask that question? Have you thought a moment if instead of asking those hours as extraordinary you should have said thank you?
 
exxon said:
more than understandable the desire not to appear advantageous in the eyes of the company, advancing requests for compensation not due.

the company sends you to a training course. It does because, even if you were hired to perform a specific job, you don't have the knowledge to do it.
the time you use to fill these gaps is paid as if you were productive and generated useful. the cost of such training is supported by the company, which not only does not earn, but spends in your name.
in this situation, your rag is knowing if the time to go to the course should be paid even more...

Of course it is important not to look bad towards others, but it should also be in its own. Did you ask that question? Have you thought a moment if instead of asking those hours as extraordinary you should have said thank you?
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I know well but there was no need to use this tone of controversy. I think it's a more lawful request.
Do I always have to be the naive one? no. maybe someone had experiences like mine, indeed, definitely.
 
I don't know the answer.

for these things the easiest thing is to talk to the owner or manager.

I think there should be no shame in talking about money earned honestly.

to me it happened that it was even the owner to ask me the car model I own to make me the calculation of the refund... the only time I was sent away with my car... but the place where I work is a white fly in comparison to the rest of reality of the area...
 
ale47p said:
I don't know the answer.

for these things the easiest thing is to talk to the owner or manager.

I think there should be no shame in talking about money earned honestly.

to me it happened that it was even the owner to ask me the car model I own to make me the calculation of the refund... the only time I was sent away with my car... but the place where I work is a white fly in comparison to the rest of reality of the area...
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idem. I was referring to the fact of "travel hours" to reach the location and return. and if any of you had similar experiences.
 
MassiVonWeizen said:
https://www.pmi.it/economia/lavoro/256010/trasferte-e-orario-di-lavoro.htmlhttps://selezione.monster.it/hr/hr-.../performance-dipendenti/trasferta-lavoro.aspxwww.dottrina lavoro.it/wp-content/.../la-retribuzione-del-ore-di-viaggio-wki.pdfwithout removing anything from the users of the forum whose knowledge and skills are abyssal, in order to clarify the doubts one has to address to people specialized in these issues, that is, the patronages or unions
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from what is evident from the third link, it seems that the hours necessary to reach a place where you have been asked should be paid.
Anyway, similar cases?
 
rass222 said:
from what is evident from the third link, it seems that the hours necessary to reach a place where you have been asked should be paid.
Anyway, similar cases?
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I don't know how it works, because neither I nor others, in my company, we've ever placed the problem when we were in similar situations: on this point I agree enough with exxon. the company usually pays the course and the transfer + vitto (and possible accommodation), but the hours of extraordinary due to the fact that maybe one has to raise an hour before to reach the seat of the course absolutely not: as I repeat, I do not know if they are due or not, but I would be ashamed to ask when the company pays everything else (and I would react badly if they asked me to me, which fortunately never happened). and there is no controversy in what I say: Maybe I'm naive. Bye-bye.
 
Consider that there are companies that make you do classes when they make you do them on Saturday and without paying you anything. and you have to.
just do not pass from naive, but pull trope for 30/40 euros per month is not worth the candle; tomorrow they could tell you, to make you equal, for example: do you want to stay? We have a new German and you have to know how to talk when he calls for information. Don't you know German? You take a course at your expense, out of work time, and you pay for it.
That said, you want to know what the law says, because it is with what you have to introduce yourself to in front of the owner if you are doing these subterfuges, turn to a job advisor/patronate/sindacato. the experiences of each remain experiences and if not co-operated by an article of law do not serve anything... even the links I posted are only for general information, but if you can't read them and understand them you don't do anything
 
However, asking for information about your manager or staff representative is not a crime.
It's right to be informed and behave accordingly.
the experiences of others are valid up to a certain point, depends on the individual cases.
 
sure to talk about it with your employer can definitely be clarifier of what he wants to pay you.
On the other hand the unions or patronage can give you the real vision of the norms and it is not said that it is what your employer will pay you.
in the pay envelope items, the transfer costs, rather than fuel rather than other, are paid in net pay envelope, i.e. you spent 30€ and they give you 30€ and on that you do not pay us taxes because you anticipated business costs. As for hours that exceed the normal amount of the contract, there is to pay the overtime....hame taxed.
 
theoretically travel hours are to be considered extraordinary hours to all effects.
ethically, if it were me, I wouldn't ask why I would appreciate the fact that the company invested on me.

p.s. He asked you the type of course because many training courses are all paid by the region/state and the company, of its own, does not put anything.
There are courses that are legalized farce where companies to take as many incentives as possible sign up for all employees, even people who have nothing to do with that course.
 
I would not ask for extra hours as extraordinary.
But we should also consider other aspects: if the trip takes hours will be at many km away, does the worker also put travel expenses?
and in case of training course that also requires some overnight stays? Do we also leave these expenses to the worker?
One thing I don't really agree with is this having to be grateful for training, the same is an investment that the company does, and from which it will benefit in terms of efficiency and productivity of the worker himself. is not made for philanthropy.
 
in the company where I work so: there are two types of pay, the one in forfait and the one at hours. in the first case they are not paid or transferred nor hours of extraordinary while in the second case yes.
there is then the insurance speech so those who go to do out-of-home courses are as if they were in the company.
do you know how it works abroad?
 
According to me the attached links are misleading, those refer to hours of travel for jobs that the company invoices to the customer.
In this case not only the company does not invoice us anything, but also pays money for the training course.
for me remains a bad business card to ask overtime on travel hours made by an employee who goes to a course paid by the company for which he works, then I don't know what the law says and I don't even care, Italy is the country of the vans so surely a judge of the job would give reason to the employee who poor they had to make 1 hour more car to go to a course paid by the company...
 

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