creation tubes brakes

[Jachie]

Good evening to all

I am dabbling with creo elements 5 and found difficulties in creating pipes, specifically they are brake pipes, I need to move on all 3 axes and it would be ideal for me to make a sketch (short) in 3d and then complete the whole with a sweep...
I looked for a solution to my problem both on the forum and on google but I couldn't find an alternative to the 3d sketch.
I ask you kindly if you have a solution for my problem, or if you have a link that talks about it.. .
cmq, however neat and minimalist the interface, I find very Moroccan the various settings of the tools of this program.. .

Thank you all and I congratulate you for this forum that most of the time takes me out of trouble! :finger:

 

[PTC]

Hi.

The scketch 3d does not exist in creo or wf it is.

to create pipes without the help of the "piping" use the 3d curves or coordinate systems that can be managed by passing through points or moving into space.

I imagine that you should create flexible pipes through other components and therefore I will attach you an example and suggest you this way:

premise:

in the parts that will accommodate the pipe (forced passes, containment strips, starting vents etc...) always draws a point through which to pass the cable or pipe it is.

Steps:


1) together create a new blank and bound part by default.

2) activate it in combination mode and create inside a curve (the one with brown icon to mean us) passing by points.

3) select the steps and through the options of the feature (continuous or tweak) adjust it properly.

4) repeat the passage for the other tubes you want to create

5) always inside the part creates a variable sweep section and uses as trajectory only the curve created by drawing the diameter of the tube and confirms the feature with the thin solid extrusion options.

6) copy the feature onto the other trajectories.

by this method the benefit you have is that by moving the reference components for the pipe (pass holes, clamps etc...) the pipe will always regenerate properly.

as far as the software is concerned, I think it is not Moroccan but only very powerful; I recommend you a course (made by an expert of this tool) that will clarify many doubts and will make you understand some fundamental differences between this product and others, certainly more eye-catching of interface, but absolutely less performing.

I hope I've been helpful.

Hi.

 

[maxopus]

with the same procedure as ptc as an alternative, you can use the piping command for points instead of the variable section sweep.

 

[DANI-3D]

hi ptc, first of all compliments for the preparation and thanks for the availability, I followed you also in other discussions.

I also have a similar problem, but often my pipes are inserted into chains carrying the movement of their equipment.
to represent the pipes properly so that they move smoothly, what do you recommend, the same procedure, properly placing the individual points, or is there another method?

Thank you.

 

[Jachie]

Hi.

The scketch 3d does not exist in creo or wf it is.

to create pipes without the help of the "piping" use the 3d curves or coordinate systems that can be managed by passing through points or moving into space.

I imagine that you should create flexible pipes through other components and therefore I will attach you an example and suggest you this way:

premise:

in the parts that will accommodate the pipe (forced passes, containment strips, starting vents etc...) always draws a point through which to pass the cable or pipe it is.

Steps:


1) together create a new blank and bound part by default.

2) activate it in combination mode and create inside a curve (the one with brown icon to mean us) passing by points.

3) select the steps and through the options of the feature (continuous or tweak) adjust it properly.

4) repeat the passage for the other tubes you want to create

5) always inside the part creates a variable sweep section and uses as trajectory only the curve created by drawing the diameter of the tube and confirms the feature with the thin solid extrusion options.

6) copy the feature onto the other trajectories.

by this method the benefit you have is that by moving the reference components for the pipe (pass holes, clamps etc...) the pipe will always regenerate properly.

as far as the software is concerned, I think it is not Moroccan but only very powerful; I recommend you a course (made by an expert of this tool) that will clarify many doubts and will make you understand some fundamental differences between this product and others, certainly more eye-catching of interface, but absolutely less performing.

I hope I've been helpful.

Hi.

Thank you very much for this suggestion, I have examined the sample file well and followed its indications, I would say that now I can finally create the pipes:finger:
I better describe the type of pipes in case you want to add something (I take advantage of your experience). are rigid tubes, with a diameter not greater than 5 mm, will have to have many folds, in different directions, angles and bending rays. so it would be really useful to make changes to rays, angles in which there was need. I imagine that in order to change the angles I have to create a working plan by means of a rotation axis on the previous reference point and choose multiple rays in the curve options, this method prevents me from making changes dynamically.
I attach a file I did following the method you suggested using lines instead of points as references, in case you had other suggestions about it.

thank you for your hideous and exhausting answer, even this time you brought me out of trouble!! :finger:
Unfortunately I can't afford a course right now and I'm getting ready for a job offer, what I'm trying to do is see the potential of the program and understand how it thinks... .

thanks also to maxopus for the suggestion, the only neo of the pipe method is the constraint of the round profile, I will also keep this method in consderation :finger:

 

[maxopus]

thanks also to maxopus for the suggestion, the only neo of the pipe method is the constraint of the round profile, I will also keep this method in consderation :finger:

Did you ever see a rectangular section brake tube?

 

[Jachie]

Did you ever see a rectangular section brake tube?

absolutely not, but can happen hybrid tubes (rigid with the flexible end part) and if you want to create a zigrination or stripping on the hose I need a customized profile. . .
I can use both methods in a hybrid situation:finger:

 

[PTC]

Hi.

x dani3d:

the tube in the catenary can be realized in the same way by creating in the mesh the point of passage (I imagine that the mesh is the same code mounted several times ) but you will not see the tube move in the case of simulation mechanism but only as animation or regeneration of the axieme (setting set as a dimesional bond).

for static interference ratings in individual positions should be enough.

x jachie

the curve you create passing through points you can define (in the drop-down menu that appears at right cone spline or as straight traits connected by single value or multiple rays (published in a second time ) thus creating a rigid tube.

using this method (curve) you can change at any time your hose from flexible to rigid (usually the prototype has flexible tubes and then in production you study bundles of rigid tubes).

for the corners you can manage everything through sketch using geometric points and making it go through a boards of graphic halfway to determine the angle.

alternative is to create coordinate systems (datum marroni) compared to other coordinate systems. . you will see that with the mouse in the central square you can move them dynamically in the three directions; in the menu that appears for the management of the axis you can perform rotations compared to other coordinate systems always dragging.

at this point positions points on coordinate systems and you pass the 3d curve.

you can also perform a "copy and special paste" with possibility of shifting and rotation or mathematical equations with mathcad or excel generating the 3d chart of the pipe first on paper for load loss calculations and then import the curve into ready-to-sleep proes.

There are many ways... the first is definitely the simplest and most direct consider that in creo1.0 and creo2.0 the creation of curve3d is much more dynamic and enjoys the new ribbon interface and not more than the old curtains.

for the courses test some agencies like the ial emilia romagna of modena that makes beautiful courses (financed or paid) just on proe with a lot of hours of workshop.

I thank all of the credibility that has been granted to me, I am pleased that the method "feature and function" with practical attachments functions well and I hope I can still be useful to you.

Hi.

 

[DANI-3D]

for static interference ratings in individual positions should be enough.

:finger: perfect, thanks again.

 

[Jachie]

Hi.

x dani3d:

the tube in the catenary can be realized in the same way by creating in the mesh the point of passage (I imagine that the mesh is the same code mounted several times ) but you will not see the tube move in the case of simulation mechanism but only as animation or regeneration of the axieme (setting set as a dimesional bond).

for static interference ratings in individual positions should be enough.

x jachie

the curve you create passing through points you can define (in the drop-down menu that appears at right cone spline or as straight traits connected by single value or multiple rays (published in a second time ) thus creating a rigid tube.

using this method (curve) you can change at any time your hose from flexible to rigid (usually the prototype has flexible tubes and then in production you study bundles of rigid tubes).

for the corners you can manage everything through sketch using geometric points and making it go through a boards of graphic halfway to determine the angle.

alternative is to create coordinate systems (datum marroni) compared to other coordinate systems. . you will see that with the mouse in the central square you can move them dynamically in the three directions; in the menu that appears for the management of the axis you can perform rotations compared to other coordinate systems always dragging.

at this point positions points on coordinate systems and you pass the 3d curve.

you can also perform a "copy and special paste" with possibility of shifting and rotation or mathematical equations with mathcad or excel generating the 3d chart of the pipe first on paper for load loss calculations and then import the curve into ready-to-sleep proes.

There are many ways... the first is definitely the simplest and most direct consider that in creo1.0 and creo2.0 the creation of curve3d is much more dynamic and enjoys the new ribbon interface and not more than the old curtains.

for the courses test some agencies like the ial emilia romagna of modena that makes beautiful courses (financed or paid) just on proe with a lot of hours of workshop.

I thank all of the credibility that has been granted to me, I am pleased that the method "feature and function" with practical attachments functions well and I hope I can still be useful to you.

Hi.

Thanks again for its suggestions, great idea to use excel, but for now I have no idea how to set a table that generates the spline or the points, if it has an example file for this method (excel) would be very interesting.
If this job will go to port I will definitely evaluate the courses that you mentioned above, for now I try to prepare myself to the best for a possible test of work, they know that I never used this sw, so to start they do not demand the impossible, in the meantime it is also nice to discover new methods of drawing, as you said to get to a result there are many roads.. .

Thanks again!!! :finger: