da pro-e a inventor

[lollone]

Hi, guys. .
I haven't heard from you for a while.:frown:
in my company is thinking of expanding the technical office with the arrival of two new designers.
taking advantage of the purchase of new licenses will pass from wf3 to creo parametric + flex modeling.
However, it was also thought of the possibility of switching to inventor because, being part of a large public company, we would have available fleeting licenses.
Obviously the main problem, leaving aside the fact of having to use a new software, concerns the pro-and historian to import into inventor.
we have 6 years of complete wf3 projects (models/assies/tables) on which we need to work for changes and new projects.

Did any of you have any idea of doing this?
How'd it go? What do you weigh?

Thank you.

 

[calacc]

Did any of you have any idea of doing this?

I had a lot of ideas in my life, but so big mai Luckily...:wink:
who has made this proposal you can see that you have no idea what it means, or you just have to avoid smoking stuffed especially in working hours! :biggrin::biggrin::

I don't think you can get enough work. if the problem is the floating licenses can be obtained from the ptc (although they cost a little more unfortunately...). Surely there would be a serious loss in the historian, but not only. Just think about the power and flexibility of configuration that has pro/e more... We put that after months and months of hard work you can recover all the historian, how do you then intervene on the changes, family table, etc?!? It is no longer possible to do it as before and I assure you that you work a lot, much slower with inventor because in my opinion it is programmed less efficiently and requires higher hardware performance to do the same job (ram, cpu, video card etc...). all files will weigh you much, much more, so you will need more capacious and expensive hard drives (so also servers). It's an inefficiency behind the other who will pay dearly over the years to follow.

If it happened to me I would strongly oppose such a proposal, and I would do anything to prevent such a regression.
I wish you a good luck, but I highly hope that things will get better!

 

[DANI-3D]

How's it going?
I use inventor occasionally, when I have to put my hands on projects inherited from an old company that we found, but I find big problems, as soon as I can make a series of steps and continue with pro-e.
I thought the fault was because I use a very old inventor version of 2006, but from what highlights the problems remained, and they are remarkable.
my computer is old and with little features, but with pro-and I work there benign, when I open with inventor a project a little challenging it takes a life to open it, and between a command and the other we run a nap.
I don't say it's like getting back to the tecnigraph, but almost.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

However, it was also thought of the possibility of switching to inventor because, being part of a large public company, we would have available fleeting licenses.

by lollone, from your observation I think that thought is due strictly to a purely economic, not certainly technical or functional reason, leaving all the comments or comparisons of the case is clear that you would take a nice step back.
I also think that the cost of having to change everything would be much more than just staying in the creek. If I were you, I'd think about who had this miserable idea to make two counts. It takes a minute to understand that it's a crazy boiata. no offense for anyone would miss us.. .
greetings

 

[lollone]

I'm the same idea, too.
not so much for the use of a cad "lower" but more for what would involve in terms of work of accommodation of the historian. would like to start redesigning everything (which has already been done years ago with the passage from autocad to proe and still in progress work) with a consequent slowdown in the definition of projects.
the possibility is remote however, unless explicitly requested by the group.

Are there programs for converting files from pro-and to inventor working discreetly?


p.s.= All good dani! in the last year I didn't have much time to actively follow the forum!

 

[calacc]

I'm the same idea, too.
Are there programs for converting files from pro-and to inventor working discreetly?

I don't think there's anything different than going through intermediate formats. However you would lose the parameterity and will no longer be possible to create similar projects by reusing the previous ones.

 

[DANI-3D]

there are programs for converting files from pro-e to inventor who work discreetly

I don't think, the only way is to go through iges files, steps etc. with the usual inconveniences ...

in the last year I didn't have much time to actively follow the forum!

sin! try to cut out some time for us too.

 

[gil]

I speak as a profane on the subject, and then I don't even know what you do.
But I do not see great advantages in choosing to move from one cad to another, only problems.

At the most I can understand that when you have to upgrade your office, think about putting 1 inventor station in order to process files that your customers pass you born with this program. Finally take advantage of the thing also to see how it goes.

maybe be careful to use it only for certain jobs and/or sectors other than those in which you use pro/e.

 

[DANI-3D]

in our work we should look a lot more like the good housewives that in the world would change detergent.
when a company has chosen a cad, the games are made, every change of direction, in better or worse, involves the big problems that we carry behind for years.

 

[lollone]

In fact! !
I thank you guys. You gave credit to my fears.
in case of passage I will arrange a funeral to which you will all be invited! ! !

Thank you.

 

[carlett]

In my opinion, if the company is part of a large group that is on another platform, the idea of migrating is not so bad.
It is clear that in the medium term there will be problems and problems but in the future probably many more synergies.
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every change to your way of working costs time and therefore fatigue, in the short period everyone would dare to change, any user create would not pass to inventor (as it would not pass to solidworks, solidedge, catia.... simply because it is paid to do what it is doing and does not want problems)
instead we imagine the scenario from here to 5 or 10 years, do you think that in the specific case inventor will be so poor? (as long as it is now, I found in my industry major performance improvements already from inventor 2012 to 2013, if I think about how it was when I graduated in 2001 compared to solidworks.. . . )
at that point there will be no doubt about the software and maybe the migration will be obliged by the company. would the passage cost more now or in five years?

 

[calacc]

In my opinion, if the company is part of a large group that is on another platform, the idea of migrating is not so bad. It is clear that in the medium term there will be problems and problems but in the future probably many more synergies.

It is not true in general, one should know more closely the type of work. for reasons of scalability and suite is easier to scale in the opposite direction. will be in the direction to make the right choices by evaluating the future consequences.

every change to your way of working costs time and therefore fatigue, in the short period everyone would dare to change, any user create would not pass to inventor

I don't think it's a problem of fatigue, if they know pro/e well to start with inventor they put two seconds of watch. is a problem of inefficiency due to the technical shortage of the instrument.

I found in my industry major performance improvements already from inventor 2012 to 2013, if I think about how it was when I graduated in 2001 compared to solidworks.. . .

But if not, they would have already closed shack and puppets! and who would be that fool who buys it a software that doesn't improve and doesn't invest in development? ! ?

 

[lollone]

the group is very large and has licenses available at irresponsible prices of some cad but not of proe.
we design and manufacture a complete product and other companies of the group we work with do not need to put their hands on our project. you just have to put it inside their plant.
then a step or an iges to them is more than good.

the passage, unlikely, from my point of view could only be a matter of licensing cost.
I don't see a need for alignment with other group subsidiaries.

 

[carlett]

the passage, unlikely, from my point of view could only be a matter of licensing cost.
I don't see a need for alignment with other group subsidiaries.

If it's just for the price... a cad should not be chosen for the cost of licenses
I believe that in this case the migration will never be done, much more than your product is "complete".
different speech if a specific cad can give you tools to do better what you do now with I create.

 

[lollone]

.... simply because it is paid to do what it is doing and does not want trouble

One is paid to solve problems and to analyze in an objective manner the possibilities that are placed before them.
This means assessing what changes in a company's cad and history in favor of something that is not actually necessary or beneficial at an economic and/or technical level.

 

[carlett]

One is paid to solve problems and to analyze in an objective manner the possibilities that are placed before them.
This means assessing what changes in a company's cad and history in favor of something that is not actually necessary or beneficial at an economic and/or technical level.

Of course.
I unfortunately often find designers with little desire to question processes and tools that have used for years, although the evidence shows how they are not adequate.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

an account is to scale up, with a suite that has countless tools for product development and its management (so I wouldn't stop just at the simple centric cad view), another is down just for a matter of costs that I reiterate are even more if you correctly count everything. It doesn't make any sense, then there are all the talk about the networks of users, etc., but here you have to look at reality, inventor is not minimally comparable to create...
greetings