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da proe a inventor

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My firm is evaluating a proengineer to inventor. Autodesk gentlemen have promised miraculous conversions, thanks also to the newborn fusion technology.
What do you think? Has anyone of you done anything like that yet?
In general, do you work well with inventor? I witnessed a demo and it seemed much easier and intuitive than proe, especially from the point of view of drafting....
 
caxxate, conversions still lose data.
You lose the connection between components.
You lose the ties between parts/axioms and put on the table.
lose all metadata (parameters).

... is a downward change.
pro/e is a high-end program, inventor is a midrange cad.
 
but then fusion from what seems to me will not improve anything in terms of conversions between programs, its qualities and the reasons why it is developing are others (facilities and rapidity of modification of the parts without having to take into account the "history" of the piece)
 
I knew the story was lost, but thanks to fusion technology, I thought I knew they could still edit the model. I had seen a demo where they showed that they had read a proe model and that they could change it by simply touching the feature (including the quota and changing this whole piece was regenerated).
among other things they have also promised the import of all the database of proes (intralink) with the father/child ties. It seems strange, but they seemed convinced of what they said...
 
I have seen inventor open the pro/e files (because they shoot inventor open the pro/e assemblies without problems).
a tragedy... the pieces scattered in hyperspace, some forgotten pieces, and a process slowness never seen.
the axieme that with pro/e I opened in 20 seconds, with inventor it took us minimum 5 minutes with excellent probability of crash.
what I don't understand is why to give for good and integrate solutions that in the end do not work... so in the end customers realize it and sooner or later they take you to randellate.
maybe it is very fashionable sale one-shot: I sell it for you, then you will see.
even if things go wrong, sales statistics rise.
 
pagnotz said:
but then fusion from what seems to me will not improve anything in terms of conversions between programs, its qualities and the reasons why it is developing are others (facilities and rapidity of modification of the parts without having to take into account the "history" of the piece)
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In fact... That's exactly the point where autodesk walked his hand. thanks to fusion I can edit a proe model without history. but that's what?
 
massi67 said:
In fact... That's exactly the point where autodesk walked his hand. thanks to fusion I can edit a proe model without history. but that's what?
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It seems to me early to say, even because it is still in beta phase, you do not even know when it will be integrated in the official version, maybe there will be in the next but it is not said.
 
Merging works great! open any three-dimensional model and change it to taste even without having the history of processing.
In the converted assemblies of course you will lose the constraints, and if the pieces are drawn to dick in space it is obvious that you will find them scattered in the "hyperspace".
You have to understand what you need to handle old projects with inventor.
 
maxopus said:
I have seen inventor open the pro/e files (because they shoot inventor open the pro/e assemblies without problems).
a tragedy... the pieces scattered in hyperspace, some forgotten pieces, and a process slowness never seen.
the axieme that with pro/e I opened in 20 seconds, with inventor it took us minimum 5 minutes with excellent probability of crash.
what I don't understand is why to give for good and integrate solutions that in the end do not work... so in the end customers realize it and sooner or later they take you to randellate.
maybe it is very fashionable sale one-shot: I sell it for you, then you will see.
even if things go wrong, sales statistics rise.
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Maybe the pieces were scattered in hyperspace because they were all family table instances or because they were badly assembled. for family tables told me that with appropriate techniques it is possible to recover them, if instead the components were assembled badly.... well.... there is no history that I keep.... Even proe himself may have problems.
we say that mine is a big company (we speak of an eighty-year license) where autodesk tries to enter while knowing that it will not be easy, given the huge pregress made with proes. and know very well the risk of deputation that runs in case of failure so I do not believe in the technique of sale one-shot... They'd just put us back. It is much easier, instead, that they have created something ad-hoc for us to convince us.... :eek:
 
pagnotz said:
It seems to me early to say, even because it is still in beta phase, you do not even know when it will be integrated in the official version, maybe there will be in the next but it is not said.
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According to what they told me, fusion will be integrated into inventor in the new release in release I don't remember well if at the end of 2009 or early 2010. So if they haven't done it yet, it's imminent... .
 
massi67 said:
According to what they told me, fusion will be integrated into inventor in the new release in release I don't remember well if at the end of 2009 or early 2010. So if they haven't done it yet, it's imminent... .
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It is probable if they told them that they have news from the inside still "unofficial"... however the new versions always come out in May-June, then the next version (2011) will go out in that period of 2010.
 
diegus said:
Merging works great! open any three-dimensional model and change it to taste even without having the history of processing.
In the converted assemblies of course you will lose the constraints, and if the pieces are drawn to dick in space it is obvious that you will find them scattered in the "hyperspace".
You have to understand what you need to handle old projects with inventor.
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I didn't feel like the constraints were lost, you know? from the demo seen it seemed that the hierarchies were all like all the constraints of assembly. However, I reserve a more detailed check soon.
As for recovering old projects.... well... I'd say it's fundamental. we have something like 300 gigs of projects and throw away everything.... you know...... if I say something like that to the designers I get fired immediately!!! :angry:
 
pagnotz said:
It is probable if they told them that they have news from the inside still "unofficial"... however the new versions always come out in May-June, then the next version (2011) will go out in that period of 2010.
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Maybe the imminent one is a beta... boh....
 
world said:
But why do you want to go from proe to inventor?
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That's what I was wondering.

the models they imported were already in possession of the autodesk seller? I suggest you import your models and under your eyes.. .
 
exact quoto re_solidworls on getting evidence with your files.poi I would be curious also to know the reason for this passage not prorpio free from cases that will surely occur.
 
Let's say that the ptc has a little broken the boxes with its commercial policy. our purchasing office had some disputes with ptc so they branded it as "unwelcome supplier". and therefore asked us of the technical office to evaluate some other software. if you consider that we are still intralink 3.3 + wildfire 2 and the ptc asked us something like 70 thousand euros for the passage on3.4 and wf4, goes from if such a high expense for an upgrade is exaggerated. Moreover we also have some autocad stations and if we had inventor it would be easier to exchange data.
and then the inventor's drafting is infinitely better than that of proe that often brings bellyache to our designers. to be considered that our company is an electronics company, the mechanics is marginal and we do not make monstrous pieces (the larger unit is about 600 pieces and at least 70% of the projects is below 50).
Of course the whole thing is being evaluated, soon self-desk will make us a very specific demo and only then we can make some decision advances. ....
 
re_solidworks said:
the models they imported were already in possession of the autodesk seller? I suggest you import your models and under your eyes.. .
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No no... the test models we gave it to him. I took some simple and other complicated ones and were converted (apparently) very well... :finger:
 
the problem is not conversion, we would miss it.
the pro/e files are always exported perfectly (in 3 years and 1/2 of work in own there has never been a client who has called me for import problems from pro/e) ... if anything the problem can be the reverse path.

as regards the policy of ptc is equal +/- to the policy of other software houses ... one stinks and the other as well.
try with autodesk not to renew maintenance for 5 years and then to request in 2015 the update of the licenses and you will see that figure will come out of it
mainly dealing with electronics in what you do, 2d boards with blocks and circuits?
 

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