design training and mechanical designer

[baleritec]

Hi, everybody, meet me here.
I am graduating as an industrial expert, mechanical and mechatronic specialization (in the evening). in a few days I begin the fourth year.
I concluded now in summer an internship of 360h (2 months) in workshop, as a metal mechanic to cnc machines.
I aspire to become a mechanical designer and designer.

In this period, I get stuck in my head, almost persecuting myself, the idea of doing a course for "signer" or at least so they call them, because I understand that it is not enough to use one or more programs to be designers.

Now I would like to ask you, as if you were my "mentors": Are these courses necessary at least to approach these software?
I've been informed a little, on the forum and on the web (ahimè), also asking how the various courses and costs work and for now the most serious and spendable route I found seems to me the ecdl, at least the only where you have to achieve an examination that certifies the skills between those I found, I talk about ecdl cad 2d and 3d (aicanet). near my house there is a course of "mechanical trainer", from the cost of thousands of euros, that certifies nothing but only prepares for this ecdl. at school in design matters we use solidworks, but I don't think it's enough to take the exam.
At least I'll tell you what I found, if you have anything else to advise me well come.

I would also like an opinion on the university, if according to you, it is essential to obtain a degree in mechanical engineering three-year, specialist, in my case?
I would also like to speak of this aspect,
I hope to soon

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

ecdl is the certificate for computer knowledge.
for solidworks the certificate is cswa.
for autocad I don't know if esite.
One thing is to know how to use a program, another is to know how to use it according to a purpose. cad courses did not teach you to quote, make projections, roughness, tolerances, design norms and other, teach you that to make a solid form you have to use those commands. but they don't teach you that that hole you've done within the closed complete cube is unrealizable.
are few companies that ask for the certificate ecdl, cswa or who for them. and spend thousands of euros is not worth the candle
if you use solidworks at school and do not limit yourself to pressing the icons that have been taught to you, but look for new approaches, explore advanced functions and consult the guide then do not need a course for that program

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

so much to understand, the designer must know how to quote a particular like those of This post to make it productive.
if you use solidworks you will have to model and the views will be made automatically; if you use autocad you will have to know how to make the projections of the case to get the necessary views to the production.
goes from if you know the software more easily and quickly work is done, but it is imperative to be able to quote on the basis of the function of the object

 

[Stan9411]

recommending university is a concept that makes no sense. If you take the degree (specialistic) you are an engineer. If you stop at graduation, you're a designer, and if you're lucky you'll be a designer. are two jobs that can be very similar if you work in the Italian medium-small manufacturing. when you have a head, passion and ass suitable an engineer can end up doing structural analysis, fluid dynamic simulations, optimizations, calculation algorithms and so on in large companies and research centers and there can also be that you will never need to know how to make a table.

in this forum too much generalizes the figure of the engineer as a designer and designer because 90% of the Italian industry asks that.

at that point however the new shell of the lamborghini or the new engine of the boeing must have designed the umpa lumpa... there is no other explanation. . .

 

[Stan9411]

this does not remove that, as is often noted on the forum, an engineer or aspiring such that does not know the basics of design, mechanical technology and kinematics/dynamics has surely serious gaps even if in life for 40 years it will take care of combustion analysis in the engines

 

[meccanicamg]

I agree with what my colleagues said above.
If you like to make the designer and you do well in high school and want to aspire to become a designer I recommend you do three-year mechanical engineering at least with specialization design if you can and if you find the specialty in the university where you will go.
definitely the practical aspect of the workshop will allow you to do less cadated with the cad.

 

[baleritec]

ecdl is the certificate for computer knowledge.
for solidworks the certificate is cswa.
for autocad I don't know if esite.
One thing is to know how to use a program, another is to know how to use it according to a purpose. cad courses did not teach you to quote, make projections, roughness, tolerances, design norms and other, teach you that to make a solid form you have to use those commands. but they don't teach you that that hole you've done within the closed complete cube is unrealizable.
are few companies that ask for the certificate ecdl, cswa or who for them. and spend thousands of euros is not worth the candle
if you use solidworks at school and do not limit yourself to pressing the icons that have been taught to you, but look for new approaches, explore advanced functions and consult the guide then do not need a course for that program

to make a moment understand what we do; everything about the design you mentioned we learn it at school; norms and quotas, projections and views in the technical drawing by hand and also free hand sketches. then to the pc, solidworks; sketch techniques, almost all modeling functions (cut, extrusion, fittings, emptying, bevels etc.); I have come to create assemblies of parts independently, but this year we will deepen the tolerances, roughness and the (or "i" I hope also others) software. we mentioned at the end of the year also the part of the animations. .

I would like to do internships, internships or apprenticeship. Since I still have nothing in my hand, if not the experience of internships as a skilled worker, seriously (8-9h per day and worked as an employee although not paid, to specify why many take it lightly) I think I would use such a certification.

 

[baleritec]

recommending university is a concept that makes no sense. If you take the degree (specialistic) you are an engineer. If you stop at graduation, you're a designer, and if you're lucky you'll be a designer. are two jobs that can be very similar if you work in the Italian medium-small manufacturing. when you have a head, passion and ass suitable an engineer can end up doing structural analysis, fluid dynamic simulations, optimizations, calculation algorithms and so on in large companies and research centers and there can also be that you will never need to know how to make a table.

in this forum too much generalizes the figure of the engineer as a designer and designer because 90% of the Italian industry asks that.

at that point however the new shell of the lamborghini or the new engine of the boeing must have designed the umpa lumpa... there is no other explanation. . .

I agree with what my colleagues said above.
If you like to make the designer and you do well in high school and want to aspire to become a designer I recommend you do three-year mechanical engineering at least with specialization design if you can and if you find the specialty in the university where you will go.
definitely the practical aspect of the workshop will allow you to do less cadated with the cad.

as a technical designer, in the working field, are the skills of industrial experts sufficient? at the general level the specialization design what offers extra in technical design?
@meccanicamg the closest to me is in florence, and on the site I do not find the specialization of design but: electrical/ automation, management, mechanical, professionalizing and scientific-mechanical.

 

[baleritec]

I add that, unfortunately, from my side I do not find any company that is willing to take me as an apprentice or to make me make a training experience directly in the working field (it would be practically the maximum), to hire me or to insert in the resume. I tried with 2 companies one in the metalworking industry and another metalmechanical/electronic, with negative outcome. known that more north instead many companies are addressed to students in these terms.

 

[Stan9411]

I repeat, if you want to be a designer, just go ahead and graduate. It is as if you were saying “I would like to take the flight patent. What do you say if for greater safety I do 5 years of military training with the air force? ”.
the university forms a very different figure from the designer. are 5 years of analysis, mechanics, fluid dynamics, technical physics and 1-2 drawing courses.
If you really have the desire and passion to do it then it is right that you do it. but if you have to do it because it is an extra piece of paper on your cv to be able to sell you better as a designer, then we are not there.

 

[Stan9411]

then we complain that the level of the graduates is poor.... if one instead of enrolling in engineering because he feels that it is his way, he does it only because he hopes to have extra chance to find work and moreover he comes to ask advice on a forum of strangers, then we go really badly.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I think I could use such a certification.

If you think you do. And do that ecdl.
how many companies will ask you? practically nothing.

 

[baleritec]

If you think you do. And do that ecdl.
how many companies will ask you? practically nothing.

I don't think ecdl. I said cswa.

by ecdl I meant this: http://www.aicanet.it/cad-3d/moduli?artid=42397

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

if we talk about ecdl tells us this https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/patente_europea_per_l'uso_del_computerwhat erroneously indicates how ecdl is the cswa correspondent of solidworks and some other acronym for other programs.

 

[baleritec]

then we complain that the level of the graduates is poor.... if one instead of enrolling in engineering because he feels that it is his way, he does it only because he hopes to have extra chance to find work and moreover he comes to ask advice on a forum of strangers, then we go really badly.

I don't see it hurt, the forum is for this... Then I repeat to you, I have to address all the speech tolerances, wrinkles that we will do in the training units of.. Fourth. I personally feel still far from university I hope to change my mind in a few months. In the sense that I am not yet able to decide whether to attend it or not, you may have the clearest ideas, you are ahead of me in the path and I take into account what you say to me.

 

[baleritec]

if we talk about ecdl tells us this https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/patente_europea_per_l'uso_del_computerwhat erroneously indicates how ecdl is the cswa correspondent of solidworks and some other acronym for other programs.

I don't understand.
is not an ecdl so what I linked?

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

Where did you read his name?

 

[baleritec]

Where did you read his name?

in the link, check the form

as I wrote in the first message "the course from thousands of pictures preparing for the ecdl cad3d"

In my opinion it is a system to pin the money, but they told me that what includes catia, inventor and sw etc. is an ecdl

 

[baleritec]

on wiki they call ecdl specializedd

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

Okay, the semantics made it clear.
If you want to do something you need to pin money and almost no company will ever ask you to do it.