design with autocad mep

[Gbar]

Hello everyone,
I've been trying to use autocad mep not only for design in 2d and 3d but also as design support. I was therefore wondering, if any of you have tried this kind of use. so we can exchange some information.
thanks to all
Andrea

 

[paolo.c]

as you wanted to demonstrate seen the non-responses, except the few as gbar that correctly placed the problem most "projectists" thermotechnical reason only in a unifilament way, more than pulling lines do not know how to do, then in the end there will be the poor practitioner/stagista who will do as built, poor Italian! !

 

[Gbar]

I thought someone at least tried to figure out if the mep could somehow be used to design resulting in saving time. So I guess nobody's interested. .
Thank you.

 

[F_O]

Good morning, I joined the forum only now and after reading this topic that interests me very much, I am a designer of thermotechnical plants that for a couple of years is trying to "solve" in the third dimension as far as it relates to its projects.

I have always tried to fight the mentality that traditionally prevails in our work environment and that sees as a project "real" the scheme unifilare in the plant, and the functional scheme of the centrals (among other strictly hydraulic scheme without any real connection to the electrical system of power and signal/regulation, let alone a kks approach to the identification of the equipment/components).

the classical approach, moreover, sees the sections as a rocking to be interpreted "revesting" with the plants the two or three building/architectural sections made available by the architects.

the assonometries then are definitely looked with suspicion, stuff that, as I was told, "it immediately draws ikea".

the particular construction is then strictly recycled by previous projects whose genesis is lost in the night of time.

I then leave the usual struggle for plant spaces, the location of the power stations, the sub-services. the mantra repeated in low voice for all these details usually unworthy of our attention is "there we caviar then that day in the yard".

In my experience, being us in Italy I am a "young" partner of the study in which I have been working now for almost 15 years, I have tried to overcome this approach (compatibly, aim, with my skills and the requirements of delivery of the various projects you will know well) evolving from autocad lt to the whole one, to study the central and the main knots in 3d, until now landing to mep.

Litigation with my associates, for which it is not important, and indeed it is misleading, to have a precise and punctual knowledge of the instrument with which the design idea is represented, I am trying to learn personally to use it and then try to " spread" the verb inside the study.

I have to say that the approach from scratch is revealing very tiring, although I can already guess the immense potential and meditated a passage of trying to trick everyone into revit, since the documentation tutorial from the autodesk site is unfortunately oriented to explain particular procedures for the use of the software, rather than to illustrate the general philosophy, for example by illustrating, with a step-by-step path to try of idiot/complete ignorant database.

someone can give me advice on how best to start from scratch, considering that, ivece, I have a certain knowledge of the autocad 3d (superior to the average investor, say).

Thank you.

 

[paolo.c]

in an ideal world would work like this:
1) the architectonic must be a three-dimensional model in ifc format, saved/deposit on an external bim server and not controlled by any of the design figures, but typically by public administration.
2) all "rights", strutturists, planters, etc. must have take the ifc model managed by the above bim server and integrate it with their models (structures and plants).
3) the upgrades and variants of the model are managed by the bim server, and all "right" sleep automatically aware of such updates.
4) graphic design must have be corresponding with the ifc model filed.
5) projects must have be executive da subito.but I realize that this is unfortunately a utopia.

 

[F_O]

I believe the model described functions provided that the human aspect is managed.

there must be temporal terms in which the different actors intervene in logical sequence and substantially exclusive to allow to work with fixed bases.

I do not say exact, but fixed, the executive cannot be such immediately because the executive is not something that exists in itself and must be "found" but the outcome of a global design process that is absolutely not unique.

or given the same starting points there are infinite executive solutions and each of them can and must be reviewed according to the executive choices of the other actors (strutturists, constructions, planters, etc.)

for this I like mep/revit, as a concept, because the building begins to grow and live in the database giving way to highlight its inconsistencies before arriving with the cobble or the English key in the yard.