designer and/or designer with only a diploma of scientific maturity

[FourStringer]

hi to everyone, I am brand new on the forum (I am enrolled today).
I ask you a question that most of you will probably be obvious, but I try the same
According to you it is possible to have a future in the world of work even as a mechanical designer, without being lost or engineer, but only with the diploma of scientific maturity?
I also speak in the case of employee. . .
Obviously without having "pinte" or "encouragement" various... I think we understood.. .
Thank you very much in advance for the answers.

 

[reb_bl]

so, I could tell you that designers are full of the world, designers, much less. It is not so much the path of studies done, but the notions you know, then clearly you can never do the work of the engineer, but even if you are perished you can do it. clearly those who "invested" their time in specific studies, probably benefited from the famous "paper piece"

 

[PierArg]

Hello and welcome,
You should show up first though.

As for your question, I answer you with another question that is actually an answer:

"Why should a company choose you instead of an industrial company? "


Unfortunately we entered a time where everyone, who more or less, has a fateful piece of paper. at equal piece of paper companies prefer to choose who is most specialized in the industry...and I don't think that one who comes out of scientific high school (such as who is writing you now) is.

 

[roberto 2011]

I believe that the reality of Piedmont, like all north Italy, gives some more opportunities than the rest of the country, but, excuse me, could you continue to study? I mean, not so much to be parked... If you do. Continue to university and try to take a field you like and give you satisfaction.

I do not think the future will reserve so much work to a graduate, even because it will become increasingly felt the competition of new Europeans who will come in Italy, but already today our graduates are doing everything to blow up the profession to historical categories like, e.g. geometries and we industrial experts. . .

Good luck!!!! :smile::finger:

 

[meccanicamg]

Hello and welcome,
You should show up first though.

As for your question, I answer you with another question that is actually an answer:

"Why should a company choose you instead of an industrial company? "


Unfortunately we entered a time where everyone, who more or less, has a fateful piece of paper. at equal piece of paper companies prefer to choose who is most specialized in the industry...and I don't think that one who comes out of scientific high school (such as who is writing you now) is.

quoto!

the advantage is that they will give you an interview and offer you a salary lower than a mechanical expert and less than an engineer.

substantially if you accept the low salary sputtani the professionals. companies care and exploit more than others.

I don't add anything else, because at this time I'm using claws and teeth for work.

 

[PierArg]

quoto!

the advantage is that they will give you an interview and offer you a salary lower than a mechanical expert and less than an engineer.

substantially if you accept the low salary sputtani the professionals. companies care and exploit more than others.

I don't add anything else, because at this time I'm using claws and teeth for work.

I think we're doing the same battle :finger:...even if I look like don chiscots against windmills.

If you want me to tell you an anecdote... so remains for future generations because it is time to rebel.

 

[meccanicamg]

it can be useful to tell your own experiences, so who has not yet understood how the system turns italia maybe wakes up :biggrin:

 

[Er Presidente]

hi to everyone, I am brand new on the forum (I am enrolled today).
I ask you a question that most of you will probably be obvious, but I try the same
According to you it is possible to have a future in the world of work even as a mechanical designer, without being lost or engineer, but only with the diploma of scientific maturity?
I also speak in the case of employee. . .
Obviously without having "pinte" or "encouragement" various... I think we understood.. .
Thank you very much in advance for the answers.

I have graduated with scientific maturity (and also "badly"), but I cannot complain.
I'm not and I'm never gonna be a designer, I'm not up to it, but as a sketch artist, I'm...

get your ass for a couple of years in some studio where people work with balls, eyes, cops, carpisci, ask, let them explain and then read, all the manuals and books you find (in my time you had to buy them, today you go on the internet...) when you're ready to go to the interviews and you'll get rid of the "paper piece".

Hi.

 

[falonef]

I have graduated with scientific maturity (and also "badly"), but I cannot complain.
I'm not and I'm never gonna be a designer, I'm not up to it, but as a sketch artist, I'm...

get your ass for a couple of years in some studio where people work with balls, eyes, cops, carpisci, ask, let them explain and then read, all the manuals and books you find (in my time you had to buy them, today you go on the internet...) when you're ready to go to the interviews and you'll get rid of the "paper piece".

Hi.

That's what I've done.

 

[maxopus]

idem with potatoes, I'm not an engineer and I'm not a mechanical expert.
I also come from the science, then I continued in studies but... I did not study engineering.
the notions you miss you can always learn, if you have passion and will.
It is clear that a course in engineering studies teaches scientific subjects in depth and facilitates things in this area.

you can succeed the same if you have the sacred fire of curiosity to which you will have to support the ability to understand what surrounds you (the so-called intelligence in the strict sense).

the world of work in Italy today is a real key (forgive Frenchism).
at first you just need to look for a place that gives you many stimuli and things to learn, even if paid little.

 

[PierArg]

it can be useful to tell your own experiences, so who has not yet understood how the system turns italia maybe wakes up :biggrin:

Sorry but yesterday I had a commitment and I no longer connected to the forum.
reconnecting me to the question posed by mechanicsmg I tell my "storiella":

without falling into detail, I have been very positive lately at work. since 2 years and 6 months have never increased my salary (fermo to 1250 €), I took advantage of it to ask for an increase.
I have prepared a "report" on my work of the last 12 months (being an engineer I am deviated mentally and I tend to put everything under statistics) where I quantified, even in economic terms my work.
Obviously I did not go with the presumption of wanting the increase, but with the intention to ask for the company availability.

Do you know what they answered me?"How dare you! You are an ungrateful!""You already have an indefinite contract and you have to thank us if you work!"
"if you don't like the door, it's that...in fact, if you leave, we don't have any problem getting a stagist who comes to your place for a bowl of rice."You know what I did?

I resigned because I felt humiliated, not only for myself, but also for my parents who made huge sacrifices.
I didn't go with the presumption of claiming, but to ask!

after a few days from the presentation of my resignation they call me and tell me:
"you know, we were just thinking that on the basis of the work we did we wanted to give you an increase!"

You know what I did?
I refused to tell him that it wasn't so much that I didn't give it to him, but that's how they denied it.
not only, I also said: "Now I'm really curious to see your intern at work!"


moral of the fairy tale: If we all had some respect for ourselves, maybe things would start to change. Now, if in my place, the people who will propose my work refused to be enslaved, they would begin to increase salaries.
Unfortunately my "sacrifice" will be rendered vain because, as mechanicalmg says, the world is also full of engineers without dignity (see previous posts) and without ambitions that see the 1250 € as the fundamental goal of their existence.

Note: I'm not a squirrel and I don't even sail into money (among other things I'm also paying the house's mortgage).

 

[gianlucap]

I have to admit you've had a great courage!
I fully share everything you say, but the problem is that finding an indefinite time job of these times is really hard!
I hope you have already found a new job more rewarding and more challenging, but you're sure that the company will already have so many resumes in hand to unravel the person who will come to your place.
It's really bad to say, but rather than being home spinning my thumbs, I prefer to be subpaid but having some money in my pocket.
That's my opinion, it's not fair to sell out and be slaved by someone, but not to starve!
I'll give you a big one.

 

[Tequila]

Sorry but yesterday I had a commitment and I no longer connected to the forum.
reconnecting me to the question posed by mechanicsmg I tell my "storiella":

without falling into detail, I have been very positive lately at work. since 2 years and 6 months have never increased my salary (fermo to 1250 €), I took advantage of it to ask for an increase.
I have prepared a "report" on my work of the last 12 months (being an engineer I am deviated mentally and I tend to put everything under statistics) where I quantified, even in economic terms my work.
Obviously I did not go with the presumption of wanting the increase, but with the intention to ask for the company availability.

Do you know what they answered me?"How dare you! You are an ungrateful!""You already have an indefinite contract and you have to thank us if you work!"
"if you don't like the door, it's that...in fact, if you leave, we don't have any problem getting a stagist who comes to your place for a bowl of rice."You know what I did?

I resigned because I felt humiliated, not only for myself, but also for my parents who made huge sacrifices.
I didn't go with the presumption of claiming, but to ask!

after a few days from the presentation of my resignation they call me and tell me:
"you know, we were just thinking that on the basis of the work we did we wanted to give you an increase!"

You know what I did?
I refused to tell him that it wasn't so much that I didn't give it to him, but that's how they denied it.
not only, I also said: "Now I'm really curious to see your intern at work!"


moral of the fairy tale: If we all had some respect for ourselves, maybe things would start to change. Now, if in my place, the people who will propose my work refused to be enslaved, they would begin to increase salaries.
Unfortunately my "sacrifice" will be rendered vain because, as mechanicalmg says, the world is also full of engineers without dignity (see previous posts) and without ambitions that see the 1250 € as the fundamental goal of their existence.

Note: I'm not a squirrel and I don't even sail into money (among other things I'm also paying the house's mortgage).

If I was in your place (knowing me well as I am made and the character I have) after that answer I would have pulled two blasphemies into the muzzle and sent to that of their mother. . .

You know what my fear for the work we do, which will soon come Chinese periti/engineers who, in fact, the bowl of rice will take the chair from below to the butt.
the quality and preparation of a person, as in fact the fateful piece of paper only applies to a certain point, because unfortunately it is true that companies want to invest zero on the staff working and if it is a matter of remuneration for the job they do, they also have the courage to say that you do not deserve it because when you get to work you park badly the car! ! !
I have witnessed scenes and speeches in my life that makes you think that we are in the world just for a "wine mistake"

 

[PierArg]

I have to admit you've had a great courage!
I fully share everything you say, but the problem is that finding an indefinite time job of these times is really hard!
I hope you have already found a new job more rewarding and more challenging, but you're sure that the company will already have so many resumes in hand to unravel the person who will come to your place.
It's really bad to say, but rather than being home spinning my thumbs, I prefer to be subpaid but having some money in my pocket.
That's my opinion, it's not fair to sell out and be slaved by someone, but not to starve!
I'll give you a big one.

cracks and thank you!

Of course I have another company that would take me to the test, only after the test would make me the undetermined time.
You know what makes me prouder? It is that the relaunch that made me the current company was superior to what offered me the new one. at that point, when they told me: "We offer you more!" io ho risposto:"maybe you didn't realize it's no more money!"

 

[PierArg]

If I was in your place (knowing me well as I am made and the character I have) after that answer I would have pulled two blasphemies into the muzzle and sent to that of their mother. . .

You know what my fear for the work we do, which will soon come Chinese periti/engineers who, in fact, the bowl of rice will take the chair from below to the butt.
the quality and preparation of a person, as in fact the fateful piece of paper only applies to a certain point, because unfortunately it is true that companies want to invest zero on the staff working and if it is a matter of remuneration for the job they do, they also have the courage to say that you do not deserve it because when you get to work you park badly the car! ! !
I have witnessed scenes and speeches in my life that makes you think that we are in the world just for a "wine mistake"

Dear Janluca, I answer you with a phrase I told my director:
"I am not a genius, indeed, from the professional point of view you will find even better. You know what you're gonna lose? you will lose someone you could trust in closed eyes"

Unfortunately, I see it that way. After the way they treated me, I lost the desire to go to work. I've lost the desire to always do the best. Why should I give the best when they treat me like slaughter meat?
and if you see well, if I don't give the best in the end I'll take it from me! here is the decision to change air

 

[Tequila]

I have to admit you've had a great courage!
I fully share everything you say, but the problem is that finding an indefinite time job of these times is really hard!
I hope you have already found a new job more rewarding and more challenging, but you're sure that the company will already have so many resumes in hand to unravel the person who will come to your place.
It's really bad to say, but rather than being home spinning my thumbs, I prefer to be subpaid but having some money in my pocket.
That's my opinion, it's not fair to sell out and be slaved by someone, but not to starve!
I'll give you a big one.

In part it is right what you say that you should not die of hunger, but it is not even right that you should be humiliated and take a hunger salary while some bosses you see that they browse newspapers of cars because their thought is to change the car and if you ask him an increase they answer that you have to pull the belt.

the underlying problem is that there is too much gap between these people and common and expensive people while not renouncing to go to lamp in an aesthetic center prefer to decrease salary to employees.

 

[gianlucap]

You know what makes me prouder? It is that the relaunch that made me the current company was superior to what offered me the new one. at that point, when they told me: "We offer you more!" io ho risposto:"maybe you didn't realize it's no more money!"

when you say some things have no price!:finger:

 

[maxopus]

I have to admit you've had a great courage!
I fully share everything you say, but the problem is that finding an indefinite time job of these times is really hard!
I hope you have already found a new job more rewarding and more challenging, but you're sure that the company will already have so many resumes in hand to unravel the person who will come to your place.
It's really bad to say, but rather than being home spinning my thumbs, I prefer to be subpaid but having some money in my pocket.
That's my opinion, it's not fair to sell out and be slaved by someone, but not to starve!
I'll give you a big one.

It is not fair even that they try to destroy the dignity of people.
what has been done to pierarg is an old-fashioned industrial slave thing, a phenomenon still widespread in our parts.
If we were all like this (as pierarg), the gentlemen would lower the crest in an instant.
It's just because there's someone willing to endure this, which allows certain "master" attitudes.
If only we were a country made up of people watching the rules, those so would fail in 15 days and there would be room for a decent businessman.

in germany the workers to the assembly line of a well-known automobile company take 2300 euro net per month ... we think it is a madness to give them to a smart engineer.
think how caxxo we are put.

 

[PierArg]

It is not fair even that they try to destroy the dignity of people.
what has been done to pierarg is an old-fashioned industrial slave thing, a phenomenon still widespread in our parts.
If we were all like this (as pierarg), the gentlemen would lower the crest in an instant.
It's just because there's someone willing to endure this, which allows certain "master" attitudes.
If only we were a country made up of people watching the rules, those so would fail in 15 days and there would be room for a decent businessman.

in germany the workers to the assembly line of a well-known automobile company take 2300 euro net per month ... we think it is a madness to give them to a smart engineer.
think how caxxo we are put.

When I noticed that I take less than an interinal worker (I don't speak metaphorically) do you know what they told me?
"yes but you did not make money integration in 2009 while the workers"

You want to know something?
I in 2009, like all the technical staff, did not make money because there was a mountain of work to do. I even made it between June and July 30 hours of extraordinary that I did not want to charge for respect of the people who were in cash.
and I don't want to be a moralist, it's just a matter of being honest.
I obviously have the hours sheet of the months of June and July 2009 confirming the 30 hours unpaid and I hit them in the face.
You know what they told me:
"but we didn't know!"

How? They knew I didn't make money and they forgot about 30 hours of "extraordinary intentionally free"?


I'm sorry, but I don't want to be a moralist.

 

[gianlucap]

It is not fair even that they try to destroy the dignity of people.
what has been done to pierarg is an old-fashioned industrial slave thing, a phenomenon still widespread in our parts.
If we were all like this (as pierarg), the gentlemen would lower the crest in an instant.
It's just because there's someone willing to endure this, which allows certain "master" attitudes.
If only we were a country made up of people watching the rules, those so would fail in 15 days and there would be room for a decent businessman.

in germany the workers to the assembly line of a well-known automobile company take 2300 euro net per month ... we think it is a madness to give them to a smart engineer.
think how caxxo we are put.

I'm on your side, I'm not a employer, eh!
I fully agree with you, but living the everyday reality Italian I realize we're always going to hurt worse!
You should send to... and then leave this country.
reading an article on the internet renzo bossi (it took 3 years to take the maturity) perceives € 12000 monthly against € 800 of a researcher who is also precarious, tell me you!!! !
italia:frown: