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Giuseppe Mauro
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I don't know your friends, but I've been a gemetra for 15 years, besides topography (which is one of the fields where I work less), I've signed a series of other things, which are not buildings.I have many geometri friends and practically with this title no one would make you sign anything. the only one and the topography that has reached the limit of the development of work. only the trainees do it, because it is relatively simple, but so badly paid that if you don't have your own studio, no one I know has remained in the industry.
therefore in both cases you end up drawing cad. and for this purpose the difference between the two diplomas is practically nothing.
for example I signed a renovation project of a municipal house, as I signed a project of 2 million euros of refraction of the city streets, as I made to collect 80.000 euros in a cause between a condominium and its builder making the ctp of the condominium.
If I found it, I could sign a building renovation god by demolishing an old building and making a new one (the calculations made by ing of course).
I have computed today I believe a total of more than 10 million euros of works, both as yard accounting and as design calculations, I have done d.l. for both private and public bodies.
and all this, obviously add the drawing to the cad.
So I don't know from your side, but having the thickness, the geometer is still a living figure, professionally speaking.
JUMPY_75
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I still apologize for my intromission desing but I think you shouldn't stop at your game iva.Okay... so we're point and head....to this point without too much suffering I keep my game iva, I perform my duties as a mechanical and construction designer, I support professionals enabled in case of signatures and who has seen you have seen....
At this point I think you have to get to the diploma that's peritum or geometra. this is the first step as the diploma in the future could always serve you never know for a contest, to access a training course etc. etc. For example, I also have a provincial qualification to sign autovehicle review centers. If I hadn't been graduated (in the mechanical case) I wouldn't have had titles to support the qualification exam.
Fortunately you work and I understand that you don't miss work and if you don't miss it in this logical period in the future it's just destined to grow. What you'll have to give up will be some beer at the bar with friends but if you can comfort you know that I don't even remember the beer taste.... .
if you feel that your path is that of the geometra then follow it; Today there are so many ways to study and work then in the future you will decide, maybe once you reach the diploma you will choose to attend 3 years of university and then.........
I personally can tell you that the choices I made with passion have always brought me sacrifices and satisfactions; those made with reason have always brought me regrets... but this is my experience. :wink:
DESIGN
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but in fact I do not intend to give up, to the beers with friends I have already given up for a while, the fact that in December I do 33 years, so it means to graduate minimum to 36/37....if then to enable me I have to do another 3 or 4 years of work we say that it is a waste.....however in the end I have taken into consideration precisely that a diploma can always serve....:I still apologize for my intromission desing but I think you shouldn't stop at your game iva.
At this point I think you have to get to the diploma that's peritum or geometra. this is the first step as the diploma in the future could always serve you never know for a contest, to access a training course etc. etc. For example, I also have a provincial qualification to sign autovehicle review centers. If I hadn't been graduated (in the mechanical case) I wouldn't have had titles to support the qualification exam.
Fortunately you work and I understand that you don't miss work and if you don't miss it in this logical period in the future it's just destined to grow. What you'll have to give up will be some beer at the bar with friends but if you can comfort you know that I don't even remember the beer taste.... .
if you feel that your path is that of the geometra then follow it; Today there are so many ways to study and work then in the future you will decide, maybe once you reach the diploma you will choose to attend 3 years of university and then.........
I personally can tell you that the choices I made with passion have always brought me sacrifices and satisfactions; those made with reason have always brought me regrets... but this is my experience. :wink:
JUMPY_75
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As I see it, it's never wasted... I know a mechanical engineer who came as a "divinity" because from the top of his 58 years ago things that I would not even imagine yet he always tells me that you never end up learning and there is no limit to professional improvement... and if he says so.but in fact I do not intend to quit, to beers with friends I have already given up for a while, the fact that in December I am 33 years old, so it means to graduate minimum to 36/37....if then to enable I have to do another 3 or 4 years of work we say that it is a waste.....
Then I'm sorry that you're going to be enabled at 40 years, but in the meantime you'll experience it and most importantly you'll be thanking several clients so you'll be very different from a 23-year-old technician. according to my experience hardly a free professional begins to see some money before 35/40 years if he is not a child of art.
Last consideration 40 years seems to you too many...... why do you hope to retire maybe?????? ? and in any case between being enabled at 40 years and never being able makes a good difference if you look at life with hope and optimism. I know people who at 50 years of age because of the crisis had to reinvent a job and you who already work and have no work problems pose the problem of age. think about the present and start a school journey then in the future you will see:finger:
who stops is lost.... good luck
gil
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Hello Jumpy
I compliment you on your business. We have four chats on the outlets of our profession, that's what I could learn in my experience. Let me know your impressions.Topography: quite saturated field. If you want to do free professional it takes an important investment for equipment, finding jobs is difficult, also because the big studios are organizing to do everything internally. As an employee the pay is null, in fact they are all internants. paradoxically it goes better in the countryside where the big studies are not there and everything is in the hands of the old geometries.public works: right here is to tear hats if you are not in right around You don't even walk on your thumbs.Building: a little better than from the other parts, but as now of engineers are full the pits, so much so that in the studies they pay also 500 euros per month to occasional performance, you understand how as a geometra it is difficult to fit.
for my personal experience the only way left is to specialize, achieve high skills in individual sectors, where the omniscence of all-rounding often does not come. and in this sense perhaps the imperative is one of the most promising fields, without getting too much illusion.
I compliment you on your business. We have four chats on the outlets of our profession, that's what I could learn in my experience. Let me know your impressions.Topography: quite saturated field. If you want to do free professional it takes an important investment for equipment, finding jobs is difficult, also because the big studios are organizing to do everything internally. As an employee the pay is null, in fact they are all internants. paradoxically it goes better in the countryside where the big studies are not there and everything is in the hands of the old geometries.public works: right here is to tear hats if you are not in right around You don't even walk on your thumbs.Building: a little better than from the other parts, but as now of engineers are full the pits, so much so that in the studies they pay also 500 euros per month to occasional performance, you understand how as a geometra it is difficult to fit.
for my personal experience the only way left is to specialize, achieve high skills in individual sectors, where the omniscence of all-rounding often does not come. and in this sense perhaps the imperative is one of the most promising fields, without getting too much illusion.
DESIGN
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You're perfectly right....in fact, I had just been thinking about pensions... and of course experience. .As I see it, it's never wasted... I know a mechanical engineer who came as a "divinity" because from the top of his 58 years ago things that I would not even imagine yet he always tells me that you never end up learning and there is no limit to professional improvement... and if he says so.
Then I'm sorry that you're going to be enabled at 40 years, but in the meantime you'll experience it and most importantly you'll be thanking several clients so you'll be very different from a 23-year-old technician. according to my experience hardly a free professional begins to see some money before 35/40 years if he is not a child of art.
Last consideration 40 years seems to you too many...... why do you hope to retire maybe?????? ? and in any case between being enabled at 40 years and never being able makes a good difference if you look at life with hope and optimism. I know people who at 50 years of age because of the crisis had to reinvent a job and you who already work and have no work problems pose the problem of age. think about the present and start a school journey then in the future you will see:finger:
who stops is lost.... good luck
DESIGN
Guest
tomorrow I talk to the principal of a geometri institute.... I try.....
thanks anyway for all the tips.. .
thanks anyway for all the tips.. .
JUMPY_75
Guest
I'm sorry for the delay and I hope I've interpreted your speech well.
on your intervention I tell you that I live fundamentally of mechanical design and automation on behalf of third parties in the agri-food sector (machine for packaging, slaughter, agricultural equipment etc.); in this marginal sector there is no specific literature and above all experience. my experience in building is linked to the "call" of 2 technical studies "fair" that use me to the need for my skills. in the current building it has been thought to leave much space to the installers that in my opinion they win the most slice of market without need of any technical specialization. the law says that they can operate freely and then I see wood-burning boilers in the semi-trailer without safety valve or I feel called "by the friend in turn" who cannot understand why his work goes wrong; but these are "details." I hardly believe that I will ever see a plumber who asks me to design a plant for a single civilian home instead differently in the public or for plants of a certain level it is necessary for the project but in this field it falls in the arena of the "manicati".
I personally believe that the future of us technicians but now also emerging engineers is aimed at other fields:
renewable sources and energy efficiency when the relevant laws are clear and unique.
the disposal and recycling as the "mountain" is destined only to increase
the shock at work and in machines that since 1996 is increasingly on the agenda.
Finally, we must always focus on innovation that is the engine of the future is to which all technicians and engineers and simple operators have the obligation to research so that our ideas as simple or complex can be improved the life and wallet of all.
as you claim to specialize is to create an area in which competition is limited but you still have to look for the "race" just to avoid the specialization becoming isolation and often in this it takes luck.
on your intervention I tell you that I live fundamentally of mechanical design and automation on behalf of third parties in the agri-food sector (machine for packaging, slaughter, agricultural equipment etc.); in this marginal sector there is no specific literature and above all experience. my experience in building is linked to the "call" of 2 technical studies "fair" that use me to the need for my skills. in the current building it has been thought to leave much space to the installers that in my opinion they win the most slice of market without need of any technical specialization. the law says that they can operate freely and then I see wood-burning boilers in the semi-trailer without safety valve or I feel called "by the friend in turn" who cannot understand why his work goes wrong; but these are "details." I hardly believe that I will ever see a plumber who asks me to design a plant for a single civilian home instead differently in the public or for plants of a certain level it is necessary for the project but in this field it falls in the arena of the "manicati".
I personally believe that the future of us technicians but now also emerging engineers is aimed at other fields:
renewable sources and energy efficiency when the relevant laws are clear and unique.
the disposal and recycling as the "mountain" is destined only to increase
the shock at work and in machines that since 1996 is increasingly on the agenda.
Finally, we must always focus on innovation that is the engine of the future is to which all technicians and engineers and simple operators have the obligation to research so that our ideas as simple or complex can be improved the life and wallet of all.
as you claim to specialize is to create an area in which competition is limited but you still have to look for the "race" just to avoid the specialization becoming isolation and often in this it takes luck.