doubt about the contractual framework

[Vitreo]

Good morning, everyone.
I am sorry to dirty the forum with the umpteenth discussion on the subject, since it is a matter already dealt several times and also recently. However I cannot find the square of the circle.

I was made a proposal as an employee of uff.tecnico, ex 5 level metalmechanical. nothing strange.
What makes me careless is that I would have the highest pitch among all people in the office and I was told that the current manager is an employee who simply had a verbal assignment to manage the office.
I ask you: at the level of responsibility, are they still covered by the head office or counts only what is written in the contract?
I ask why before accepting or rejecting the proposal I wanted to understand more.
thank you to those who want to leave a message.

 

[Stan9411]

Mah, they feel like every...
1) if they entrust the management of an office to someone, without matching the proper contractual level, I would not go to that company.
2) beautiful figure of shit to have openly told a candidate in the interview

said that, if you have a superior from organigram, I think it should not be yours that contractual agreements he has with the company. the problem rather is his, who manages people without receiving the proper consideration.

Anyway, less barbaric, it happened to me too. a designer engineer with the seventh level, after 20 years, asked to pass in quality and had to start from scratch from the point of view of skills.
He then found himself an apprentice of a colleague with the sixth level.
The latter has pointed out the thing and, having however the necessary titles and agility, it has been adapted to the seventh as well. with superminimum.

 

[Vitreo]

First of all, thank you for placing my doubt on this. In fact, in the interviews that I have done in recent years I have heard some really surreal things, which have discouraged me not little.

 

[TETRASTORE]

I ask you: at the level of responsibility, are they still covered by the head office or counts only what is written in the contract?

I see a company that, having no better, has temporarily entrusted the responsibility of the office to the person who at the moment thinks he has more experience, but who is aiming to hire and form a more qualified person to entrust him in the future greater responsibility.
If the guy and the working environment like you, I'd go.

 

[Stan9411]

of the series “take 1400€ per month, but you are there, direct an office” ..

I disagree at all.
If in a design office, the person with more experience has the fourth level, it means that there is something wrong. or they have gone all, and there will be a reason, or (until) do not give the contractual levels suitable for tasks.

 

[TETRASTORE]

do not give the contractual levels suitable for tasks

I am more inclined to this hypothesis.
however rereading:

is an employee who simply had a verbal assignment to manage the office

I would say that he has a marginal assignment (manage the office) definitely not comparable with the relative responsibilities, so it is advisable to request at least your job and, apart from the reference person indicated, who has the actual responsibility. is the owner who follows everything?
in the last company in which I worked (many years ago) I took over, after many months of vacancy, to the technical director who had left and during that period management (non-responsibility, which was of the owner) also in that case had been entrusted, verbally, to a mechanical expert employee, with a dozen years of experience that for several months was the reference for some designers already present (very young and framed to the same level
in this case the company had 160 employees; of course depends a lot on how the company is structured and the mentality of the owner.

 

[Vitreo]

Okay, so my initial doubt comes back. If by contract I make the designer and there is this person who tells me how to do things, at the level of responsibility are covered by this person?
I ask another question: is it possible that in a metal company there is no technical director?

 

[TETRASTORE]

If by contract I make the designer and there is this person who tells me how to do things, at the level of responsibility are covered by this person?

You have to ask the person you interviewed with.

Is it possible that there is no technical director in a metal company?

It's possible. alternatively there may be the employee with years of experience, or the head office or the owner himself; as mentioned above depends on how the company is managed, this does not take away that in all cases you can work well, provided that you are told what your tasks will be (disegnator is too generic) entrusted by the company and who you need to refer to.
in addition to the specific ones of a mechanical design You may also have the task of managing orders, interface with the various offices/ departments, suppliers and customers, and especially in small or small businesses you will have other additional tasks outside the design so you have to ask and evaluate before you are hired.

 

[Vitreo]

Thank you very much for your help!