doubts about work proposal

[paulpaul]

more in detail I would say that from watershed it does the way in which the very rapid technological escalation has lived. I remember having had 5^ high schoolmates who even had no pc or who owned it but were not able to use it.

I am almost 10 years older than you, but I recognize myself perfectly in the situations you have experienced (although I probably lived them when I was older than you: first pc 286 to 13-14 years, internet with 56k and cell gsm to 17-18, etc.). categorization in generations, as I said, I think it is a pure sociological exercise quite meaningless: while being formally on horseback between the previous generation (x) and y, I have always compared myself altogether better with those of the "y" (at least with the born until the end of the 1980s). Is it for everyone? I don't know. but it does nothing but demonstrate how attitudes/behaviour depend more on the environment where one has lived (and other influences) than on a mere anagraphic question

today we say that it is a prerequisite that is taken for granted.

as you will also know, among the younger ones (born in the mid-1990s onwards) the use of the pc is not so widespread, unless it has been used at the unit or at work, where especially in the technical field it is a tool still difficult to replace. in honor of the truth, for recreational and recreational purposes the touch devices are really much more comfortable, and neither could I detach me anymore, even having always fixed and portable pcs unreliable: I'm just doing some other stuff. altogether exxon is right: when I was 18-20 years old I the computer culture "media" was superior (there were more "semanettoni", but there is also to say that there were no alternatives to the pc, and windows was at the dawns). I don't know how much that kind of culture needs nowadays: I am not so pessimistic about the very new generations, although there are sometimes situations (especially behavioral) that leave me a little puzzled (the lack of humility first).

But... but who today gives things for granted, has no idea of the evolutionary path behind it. do not remember the 56k modems with their unique "sound", or how it evolved the internet. and then they find themselves in hand with very powerful means of which they completely ignore the operation (which is now becoming more common).
and this is so much worth for most of my colleagues in generation y that for almost all of the next one ( generation z )

This is very true...but I ask a somewhat provocative question, addressed to all (even to myself): Beyond personal knowledge and the specific passion that one can have (among my big handles is aviation and especially propellers, and are always looking for technical data and drawings of piston engines of "gold years"), maaaa....do you really need to know all this? I can understand if we work in the field (but it is true in every area), in which case knowledge of the previous solutions is not only useful but also indispensable to continuously improve the product...but otherwise? or maybe it's just an attempt to mark a kind of intellectual "superiority" (= self-defense) on new generations otherwise altogether more up-to-date on information sharing systems ("you're good but don't know how it really works and what's behind")? I repeat, this question is addressed to all, even to myself.

 

[welcome to the machine]

"Do you really need to know all this? "I don't want to oversimplify what you have written or philosophize empty, paulpaul, but knowing should not necessarily serve something. the desire to know and to know is the engine of evolution . I would not put at all the problem of assessing whether a knowledge that I want to deepen will serve me or not for practical purposes.
" facts were not... etc.I am confident that so many young people still think so. I as a boy felt the great saying " in my time..." I thought "What balls." I don't want to make the same mistake now that I'm the...vintage. : )

 

[paulpaul]

.... very interesting are available to deepen the topic.

Hello taurus!
I repeat this to the smallest terms, after more than 15 years of work experience (starting at 25 years) and well aware that others may have had a different one (for this I would like to compare myself)
having always had to deal with 90% of foreign orders (particularly with northern Europe and Russia, but - in certain periods - also with wool, mediorient, North America) I had the opportunity to develop practically immediately very intense professional relations with many people of all these countries, and to "saggiarne the mentality" (also going very often on the spot, and not only for work).
Well: I never felt so embarrassed as when I attended technical meetings with Italian, Chinese and Middle Eastern customers (but also suppliers!). even before starting the meetings, they were wasting the battutines on the poor experience, "but where is your manager at this meeting?", "when you go back to the office please explain this concept to who is above you", "30 years? too young for this project" (Chinese co-worker ever seen), even until I even feel like speaking to a meeting, always in wool, before still sitting down, with the manager who openly declares that he would not speak to me because too young (31 years...). several Italian suppliers visibly " alarmed" to discuss certain topics with a 30-32 year old, and I could make other examples.
experience in the Nordic countries was completely opposite: since my first visit (2007), I met a technical team in which the manager was thinking 15 years younger than some of the team members (which is very difficult in Italy, regardless of skill). But I always found listening, regardless of appearances, and confronted without preconceptions: but, above all, I have always found a young and updated partner also in key roles, with a great mental openness to new solutions (as long as I explain them and justify them). Maybe rigid, very rigid, but they will never answer you "you have to do so because in 1978 I did so and it worked, which is the norm in many Italian ut (it can be, but you have to explain why my could not work as well).

 

[paulpaul]

"Do you really need to know all this? "I don't want to oversimplify what you have written or philosophize empty, paulpaul, but knowing should not necessarily serve something. the desire to know and to know is the engine of evolution . I would not put at all the problem of assessing whether a knowledge that I want to deepen will serve me or not for practical purposes.
" facts were not... etc.I am confident that so many young people still think so. I as a boy felt the great saying " in my time..." I thought "What balls." I don't want to make the same mistake now that I'm the...vintage. : )

Hello! do not misunderstand me;
I have predicted "beyond the personal knowledge and the specific passion that one can have", and also to "less a person works in the specific field" (for me one must try to work in an area that fascinates him, for all the reasons we know). the desire to know is the engine of everything (and I am very agreeable, if you want we can talk for hours of geopolitics, aeronautical and space engines, aviation, lifts, fluid machines in general... just to quote some of my interests...): I just wanted to say that I don't make a reprimand to an 18-year-old boy who uses the smartphone at the speed of light only because I don't know 4g technology...this is because it is a "simple" user of technology.
a little as it does not reproach a common driver not to know (maybe he will know :d) the mechanisms of development of combustion in his mci: This does not prevent that motorist from making optimal use of his car.
It is clear that if that car driver (of the 4g better than you don't talk...) wanted to deepen technical aspects, I would be very happy about the thing, and I would give myself to try to make him know something (always if I am able, benign!).
I hope it is clearer

 

[TAURUS77]

And it hurts.

the last generations no longer have the pc: they only use the smartphone and looks at a new computer illiteracy.

100% agree

 

[IronMike87]

This is very true...but I ask a somewhat provocative question, addressed to all (even to myself): Beyond personal knowledge and the specific passion that one can have (among my big handles is aviation and especially propellers, and are always looking for technical data and drawings of piston engines of "gold years"), maaaa....do you really need to know all this? I can understand if we work in the field (but it is true in every area), in which case knowledge of the previous solutions is not only useful but also indispensable to continuously improve the product...but otherwise? or maybe it's just an attempt to mark a kind of intellectual "superiority" (= self-defense) on new generations otherwise altogether more up-to-date on information sharing systems ("you're good but don't know how it really works and what's behind")? I repeat, this question is addressed to all, even to myself.

an account is the knowledge of the means, another is the awareness of the same.
at the level of technical knowledge, I think I am largely ignorant of what concerns the world-wide-web, especially in the darkest folds (deepweb and darkweb) and how they function.

That said, I think I have a greater awareness, even having a superficial knowledge of those submerged contents.

Unfortunately it is a really wide and difficult to condense speech, but personally I think that the average user has an awareness almost nothing of the operation of the network, and this comes partly from the almost incomplete knowledge of its technical operation.
There are people who do not understand how they can steal photos from the cloud, or how they get deleted content from the windows basket. that has no idea how a facebook makes money since there is no registration fee to pay. etc...

this lack of technical knowledge + awareness I think it is one of the worst evils of our time derived from the technological boom

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

remember what the good old echo said.
"For me the learned man is not the one who knows when he was born Neapolitan, but he who knows where to go to search for information in the only moment of his life in which he serves, and in two minutes. ”

In my opinion therefore computerized knowledge is not necessarily, knowing the history of the web, or writing in java or making hackers, but knowing how to use it for its own purposes and, like how to use an encyclopedia, to find the answers to its own purposes. on the forum often there are questions that with a search more or less in depth you would have an answer.

 

[exxon]

Maybe I didn't make the idea, but what I meant is that we are going against a generation that maybe knows perfectly how to navigate the network (under android), but can't use the mouse, simply because... it never did.

 

[Biggmetals]

we are perhaps a little wandering in the ot but now with the advent of the vr or similar technologies, the mouse will only be a memory sooner or later.
an example the classic graphic tablet for an artist.

 

[paulpaul]

we are perhaps a little wandering in the ot but now with the advent of the vr or similar technologies, the mouse will only be a memory sooner or later.
an example the classic graphic tablet for an artist.

exact! we must not fossilize on the technology of the moment because maybe we have come to master it egregiously (maybe after great sacrifices) or because it is actually the "best" in that field: even if this allows us Currently a competitive advantage, we must all have a little mental openness and far-sightedness, otherwise we will meet the "professional death" and our products, and proudly we will perche on the defensive hindering a priori the path of the younger ones having solutions Maybe more innovative ( attitude that sometimes knows so much about "generative envy", if you allow me). In two words, I think it is a very strong curiosity and lack of prejudices/preconceptions, both on the anagraphic age or on certain technologies, perhaps not entirely mature: we are all well or badly trained scientifically, there should not be room for superstructures. with this, far from me to defend the scansaphatics and the insects of every age (there are so many also over 30-40 years, here they are, and are the most inamovable), and aware that a curious, open and motivated person (= passionate, who not only wants to preserve the role) can innovate even 70 years!
I am sorry to say this, but this is the case tonight