dove sta walking uptron?

[TECNOMODEL]

in recent times I know a change, in my opinion, little positive on toptron.
first the acquisition by cambrio, with a first worsening of the service service, eliminating locations and staff. the release 15 was virtually soo oriented to some improvement in the cam, without minimally intervention on the problems that plague the software always in modeling and design.
now a new acquisition of the brand, by sandvik this time.
Also in the release 16 during testing the improvements seem to affect almost exclusively the cam part, not to mention the fact that the software is increasingly oriented towards the only realization of molds, making it a niche object.
in the past such operations have led to failures, with serious consequences for users, see for example think3.
What do you think of users?

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

observing the years spent under the 3dsystems property, I would say it is difficult to do worse. If they had invested to make a geomagic designx with an integrated cam they would have created an exceptional tool. have instead preferred to take advantage of the toptron laboratories to create the 3dxpert

in recent days I had a meeting with my reference business, which told me about the intention of sandvik to invest in its concept of digital factory, so as to provide customers with integrated systems for production. a little like siemens did, but more targeted production side than management side.

as I know toptron has always been a better product like cam than as a modeler, but I have a part+nc configuration, so I might be wrong.

about the fact that toptron could be a niche software, I would say that unfortunately it has always been.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

observing the years spent under the 3dsystems property, I would say it is difficult to do worse. If they had invested to make a geomagic designx with an integrated cam they would have created an exceptional tool. have instead preferred to take advantage of the toptron laboratories to create the 3dxpert

in recent days I had a meeting with my reference business, which told me about the intention of sandvik to invest in its concept of digital factory, so as to provide customers with integrated systems for production. a little like siemens did, but more targeted production side than management side.

as I know toptron has always been a better product like cam than as a modeler, but I have a part+nc configuration, so I might be wrong.

about the fact that toptron could be a niche software, I would say that unfortunately it has always been.

I agree with you that it is better as a cam than not as a cad, even if it is also discouraged in the cam the macchinosity that distinguishes it, as well as the lack of stability, especially if it is necessary to change the project.
always remains a mystery about how they make, at each release, to insert together with the few improvements some worsening of a function, see for example the dynamic section, remarkably worsened from the 15.

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

I agree with you that it is better as a cam than not as a cad, even if it is also discouraged in the cam the macchinosity that distinguishes it, as well as the lack of stability, especially if it is necessary to change the project.
always remains a mystery about how they make, at each release, to insert together with the few improvements some worsening of a function, see for example the dynamic section, remarkably worsened from the 15.

I don't agree with the fuzzyness of the cam. Unfortunately a system is flexible or is simple. both things together are not generally possible. if there is a criticism that I can make at the cam of toptron is its substantially flat and unstructured interface.

that then under the management of 3dsystems bugs have increased rather than decreased is under the eyes of all. even if the new property made big investments in the system, I fear that the fruits will not see them so soon.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

I don't agree with the fuzzyness of the cam. Unfortunately a system is flexible or is simple. both things together are not generally possible. if there is a criticism that I can make at the cam of toptron is its substantially flat and unstructured interface.

that then under the management of 3dsystems bugs have increased rather than decreased is under the eyes of all. even if the new property made big investments in the system, I fear that the fruits will not see them so soon.

How do you say I'm not sniper?
for every operation you go to, from simple extrusion to something more complex, it requires an incredible set of clicks, most of the times redundant.
not to mention the use of parameters, even the setup.
In addition there is all the part that they call wireframe that is absolutely redundant, besides not to understand the utility since it is nothing but a double of the sketch.
The worst thing, however, is that "blind" working system that requires you to create everything in the same together, preventing or almost the reuse of "standardized" components, unless you go to recreate them in the catalog.

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

How do you say I'm not sniper?
for every operation you go to, from simple extrusion to something more complex, it requires an incredible set of clicks, most of the times redundant.
not to mention the use of parameters, even the setup.
In addition there is all the part that they call wireframe that is absolutely redundant, besides not to understand the utility since it is nothing but a double of the sketch.
The worst thing, however, is that "blind" working system that requires you to create everything in the same together, preventing or almost the reuse of "standardized" components, unless you go to recreate them in the catalog.

Wait, what do you mean by cam? for me the cam is part nc, the one that allows to create the tool paths. And that part I found things a lot more Moroccan. or less versatile.

for the wireframe functions, these have a lot of sense, since they go to complete the weaknesses of the sketch environment, which, to begin with, can only be on the floor.

for the other things you're talking about, I can't object, since they're not part of my experience.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

Wait, what do you mean by cam? for me the cam is part nc, the one that allows to create the tool paths. And that part I found things a lot more Moroccan. or less versatile.

for the wireframe functions, these have a lot of sense, since they go to complete the weaknesses of the sketch environment, which, to begin with, can only be on the floor.

for the other things you're talking about, I can't object, since they're not part of my experience.

on the cam I agree with you, I find software in modeling, in the management of the assemblies and simply embarrassing in the tables.
then, that to compensate for a tool that works badly (the sketch) you go to insert another practically identical tool I really find it without a logic, which increases even more the machinacy of the software.

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

... to compensate for a tool that works badly (the sketch) you go to insert another practically identical tool I really find it without a logic, which increases even more the machinacy of the software.

Now I don't want to be the toptron defender, who doesn't need me for that, but almost all cads have to resort to similar games, since very few have control over the modeling kernel, and in order to offer something different from the competition they have to invent workarounds. beyond this, the implementation of a curve like feature and not as part of sketch allows to organize the workflow, in some contexts, more effectively.

another speech deserves the interface, which at least until version 13 does not even preview a shortcut to the last commands used. but we are going off topic.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

Now I don't want to be the toptron defender, who doesn't need me for that, but almost all cads have to resort to similar games, since very few have control over the modeling kernel, and in order to offer something different from the competition they have to invent workarounds. beyond this, the implementation of a curve like feature and not as part of sketch allows to organize the workflow, in some contexts, more effectively.

another speech deserves the interface, which at least until version 13 does not even preview a shortcut to the last commands used. but we are going off topic.

mah, having used inventor and solidworks for me was a nice step back having to use toptron.
Then, for charity, with time you learn how to use what the software puts at your disposal and you work the same, but I have never encountered problems with any cad.

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

mah, having used inventor and solidworks for me was a nice step back having to use toptron.
Then, for charity, with time you learn how to use what the software puts at your disposal and you work the same, but I have never encountered problems with any cad.

definitely in absolute terms toptron is not comparable to the sw you talk about. is a system with its peculiarities that solves some typical problems of the creation of moulds. It has a fully integrated cam at its origin, something that solidworks have, but on the contrary it does not have all the functionality of putting into the table that perhaps a designer would want, and that is why it is not a mainstream solution. for stability and for bug fixing unfortunately sometimes is lacking, but in its sector I find it is a great compromise for those who should not aim for integrated systems of high end.