drawings and quotation

[tanticapelli]

Dearest,

I am doing (for reasons of force majeure) a comparison between solidworks and inventor.
provided that I do not design neither engines nor spaceships, I limit myself to operate in the carpentry, coatings, locks.

However it seems to me to note, if I can find a mole annoying to moneyworks, that is lower than inventor as well as at processing speed in the design environment and above all inventor seems to have a quotation tool (we speak of manual that automatic quotations do not even consider them at the general level) much more fluid and with features similar to those of autocad which, as at odds always remains n. 1, at least my opinion.

What do you think?

if solidworks had a more fluid design part in operation (more like inventor) I would have no doubt about the choice.

thanks, as always

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[tanticapelli]

I'm putting in the table of the axioms created in inventor and I have to say it's starting to slow down him too.. .
even if not at solidworks levels.

the couplings between the parts in solidworks are much more manageable and intuitive. . .

Mah. .

 

[meccanicamg]

for years that I only use solidworks and abandoned inventor, I can say that you are able to use the various options also the sw table rests lean. everything depends on how you work and how much you detail but drawing electro-welded carpenters or tubular with plates and drills and also complex cutters, it is very simple all if you are distinguished by cutting only by pallinating and quotating positions, put in raw and finished table separated, views and sections thinking already where and what to show. to quote with progressive milled and with normal quotas the carpenters. you can use the layers, nsdcondere temporarily seen, you put the views in draft quality and only for printing you bring in high quality.....insomma you need to know how to use solidworks

 

[meccanicamg]

if you like to quote as autocad take inventor but stay still at the pole. solidworks share in the same way as inventor to part that you set the same. of birth has some difference that streamlines. look that in the end one is equal to the other if you do not do research and development, if you do not do gearboxes, if you do not make machinery with mixed welded carpenters makes plate mixed profiles to normal.

 

[tanticapelli]

Yes exact, at the end I make plate mixed profiles.

At the level of design what makes me waste time are the laying drawings that being of the assemblies where there is a little bit of everything I took the habit of subdividing everything on the various layers and then carry out and finish editing with autocad, since it has pan/zoom/quotatures decidedments more fluid.

then also some types of files aside. for example of the example you see here (originating from a part solidworks file consisting of some configurations) the front holes have slowed down the drawing file and the quotation operations connected to it.
I've contacted the service center several times and they've been cuffing on software settings related to performance speech but the difference was almost imperceptible.

thanks for the moment, I will document on how to quote more efficiently, since I have not yet learned to use dimxpert.

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[MassiVonWeizen]

I don't know if you're talking about the fluidity of solidworks or inventor. if it is the second perhaps it is more suitable the section where there are users who use it assiduously
Surely a set of holes like this is inevitable that you slow down the system, and I believe it fits both software; As for solidworks there is performance evaluation to check any critical points, in addition, in repetition it is essential to pay attention to the geometric repetition check (see guide) that if absent can really slow down a component all the drawings in which it is represented.

 

[meccanicamg]

for plates with 10 thousand holes or less, all cads die because the geometry to be regenerated is remarkable. we are only humans who believe "only holes". Therefore we recommend detailed configurations only and exclusively for direct or dxf export and always manage a speedpack or a simplified model with textures similar to geometric processing. This is a limit of all cad. however some hardware is needed to work and 2000/2500€ you have to spend them on a decent workstation.

 

[tanticapelli]

I don't know if you're talking about the fluidity of solidworks or inventor. if it is the second perhaps it is more suitable the section where there are users who use it assiduously
Surely a set of holes like this is inevitable that you slow down the system, and I believe it fits both software; As for solidworks there is performance evaluation to check any critical points, in addition, in repetition it is essential to pay attention to the geometric repetition check (see guide) that if absent can really slow down a component all the drawings in which it is represented.

I'm talking about solidworks, the work you see in the photo was done with this software.

Okay, thank you for the straight, not a Christian at the service center who told me about this "geographical recurrence", I will investigate the guide as soon as possible by doing the necessary experiments.

thanks for the moment

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[meccanicamg]

other thing to do is go into the options and lower the display detail level so that a hole is visually realized by coarse segments. other thing is to load light weight assemblies, so only visual geometry and not modeled geometry. I mean, these are things that they don't teach at the courses.... assistance they never know na mazza... but who from and handed down, teaches so

 

[tanticapelli]

other thing to do is go into the options and lower the display detail level so that a hole is visually realized by coarse segments. other thing is to load light weight assemblies, so only visual geometry and not modeled geometry. I mean, these are things that they don't teach at the courses.... assistance they never know na mazza... but who from and handed down, teaches so

stupidly I didn't think to ask my grandfather how he did it with solidworks.

...

 

[tanticapelli]

It is essential to pay attention to the geometric repetition check (see the guide) that if absent can really slow down a component all the drawings in which it is represented.

Forgive me but in the guide I read that "it is impossible to create geometric repetitions of functions that have faces combined with the rest of the part ": then it is not possible to exploit this option in the holes but only with the extrusions (and variants) without the option "unisci corpo"?

Boh!

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[MassiVonWeizen]

if you make repetition of holes use function repetitions or faces you do not need the uniser body that in fact is not presenthttp://help.solidworks.com/2015/italian/solidworks/sldworks/c_geometry_pattern_concept.htm

 

[tanticapelli]

if you make repetition of holes use function repetitions or faces you do not need the uniser body that in fact is not presenthttp://help.solidworks.com/2015/italian/solidworks/sldworks/c_geometry_pattern_concept.htm

thanks massive,
I unfortunately in that sheet I had made an extruded cut starting from a sketch consisting of linear repetitions of sketch and in this way it would not have been possible to select the option "geographical repetition" even knowing it. . .

blissful ignorance!

Thank you.

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[MassiVonWeizen]

linear sketch repetitions are heavier than those from function.
make a verification:
the same drilling do it with sketch repetition and do currency performance, then do it with function repetition and return to make currency performance, you will see the difference. also the function repetition is much more manageable and parameterizable

 

[meccanicamg]

know how to shape well is not easy and depending on the pieces the roads that open are countless. . .but with the same basic rules for all cad files obtained are the "minimum trade union" and snelli.

 

[tanticapelli]

update: for a personal advantage I wanted to calculate the weight of a perforated sheet (I know, there is on the prontuaries...) using the function geometric repetition but the program stops.
Of course, the holes are many, on a sheet of sheet 1250x2500 I have to produce a mesh of holes diam 5 mm step 8 mm until filling all the sheet so that the holes do not go out from the perimeter of the same.
I first created a cut extruded by a sketch consisting of a single circle appropriately quoted but now to make the geometric repetition of function but it did not work.
then I tried to create a hole through "creation wizard holes" applying the repetition (geom of funz) but I got the same result (see image) with the software that does not crash but is very slow in the order of minutes in the processing (I'm still waiting to finish processing). . .

given the operation of the part file I dare not imagine what could happen to the launch of its drawing file.. .

What do you think?

n.b.: I put the part without repetition because I can't get to the rescue. . .

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

You want to make a repetition of almost 30,000 holes and you're amazed that you're crying?
if you have to absolutely absolutely do those greedy holes in multiple repetitions, but each function will be slower than the previous one and perhaps in the end it will plant equally

 

[meccanicamg]

I had a mantle shot with 51,000 holes two months ago. once saved and closed it takes about 30-32 minutes to open it in weight solved. I was obliged because the omino of the cfd had remembered that it wanted so.... then it proved unmanageable and I made only 500 holes to show the departures and arrivals. It makes no sense to make such thick and intense repetitions. It's all gone.

 

[tanticapelli]

the point is that I happened to have to make sheets folded with holes jerseys (in the order of a few hundred, at the time I had opted for an extruded cut of a sketch with inside a linear repetition of circles). I needed the holes to be present so that they could be represented and quoted on the drawing that originated: and already the design slowed in a relentless way.

It seems absurd to have to export the design to dwg and finish the holes with autocad. And besides the weight of the part would not be likely.

Is it possible that with these software you can take the spaceships so complicated to make sets of holes?

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[tanticapelli]

Here, look at this part and tell me if you can do something to milead her.

unfortunately I can not send the part because compressed is 8.173 kb

in management the part is very slow, the design is quite fluid.

It is true, there will be more than 5,000 holes, but what's wrong?

Thank you.

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