drawings for metal carpentry workshops.

[marsupiale]

Good morning.
we are a professional association that deals with the realization of carpentry drawings for workshops. In practice, our work is to create the graphic works (cad/cam) that will allow the workshop to realize the works (buildings, bridges, cranes, ...) .
We have tried some legal advice, but as our field is a very narrow market, we have never managed to have the right one.
our problem is that not being engineers or geometries, we do not participate in percentage share to the value of the work, and being small fish we are always at the mercy of the waves of the great entrepreneurs, with our invoiced in the order of the thousands of euros for works of the value of the million euros.
today our market is enslaved by the above-mentioned entrepreneurs who require us working hours, but who tend to charge us every little mistake with requests that increasingly exceed the total value of our work, justifying such greater burdens as necessary for the realization of the work and charging us the responsibility, making us work "for free".
we looked for poressional insurance, but not even lloyd's managed to cover us.
Until today we managed to stay afloat, but this crisis is bending a little everyone.
I would like to ask:
1-what corporate form could be more consonant than the current professional association, if for example, can srl protect us in the event of a big mistake?
2-Is it legitimate that in the face of a work of 10,000€ I will be required 100.000€?
Should the client not be responsible for checking our work with the executive project?
I would like to create an association and a tariff that allows us to work and not to undergo the blackmail of all manufacturers. Who can I address?
Thank you.
greetings

 

[SER.CAD]

under these conditions I think you agree to work as an employee, I speak personlamente, I would be to constitute an albo of the designers / directors .... but it should work to be strong and compact like that of notaries, and the supervision of associates on those who do the smart or on the enterprises that do work studies or professionals out of the open, should be capillary, in the present society, nowadays is an improposable thing, as not even the albo of the engineers can contain the bounds of certain geometries, architects etc...

If you want my opinion, the srl is the thing you want most, responsibility
in case of bankruptcy is limited to the invested capital and not to the own capital and costs
relatively little open it.

I think it is illegitimate to ask 10,100volte the damage on the value of a design, indeed there is not "dain", because the designer is and remains an artisan, can not be charged with damage to the structure, to things, for any yields, problems in the assembly in the transport, the manager is the contractor in the fig. of the engineer who makes the calculations and dimensional the beams, the in. or the rejected perito of the yard.
I think it's a voice to put black on white on the contract, then if the entrepreneur refuses to sign a contract like that, it means he stinks...

I think there's not a hundred in Italy, but maybe even a few zeros.

My opinions are personal.
Hi.

 

[claudio minisini]

Good morning.
we are a professional association that deals with the realization of carpentry drawings for workshops. In practice, our work is to create the graphic works (cad/cam) that will allow the workshop to realize the works (buildings, bridges, cranes, ...) .
We have tried some legal advice, but as our field is a very narrow market, we have never managed to have the right one.
our problem is that not being engineers or geometries, we do not participate in percentage share to the value of the work, and being small fish we are always at the mercy of the waves of the great entrepreneurs, with our invoiced in the order of the thousands of euros for works of the value of the million euros.
today our market is enslaved by the above-mentioned entrepreneurs who require us working hours, but who tend to charge us every little mistake with requests that increasingly exceed the total value of our work, justifying such greater burdens as necessary for the realization of the work and charging us the responsibility, making us work "for free".
we looked for poressional insurance, but not even lloyd's managed to cover us.
Until today we managed to stay afloat, but this crisis is bending a little everyone.
I would like to ask:
1-what corporate form could be more consonant than the current professional association, if for example, can srl protect us in the event of a big mistake?
2-Is it legitimate that in the face of a work of 10,000€ I will be required 100.000€?
Should the client not be responsible for checking our work with the executive project?
I would like to create an association and a tariff that allows us to work and not to undergo the blackmail of all manufacturers. Who can I address?
Thank you.
greetings

point 1:- no insurance will ever cover you if you are not enrolled in a professional albo, if "designed works" without permission you are liable to denounce by third parties, if instead you develop drawings on calculations and projects of third parties the vs. responsibility is limited to the execution of the boards, but there remains always the risk of third parties (if from a mistake on a table arise problems, damages or losses to third parties you answer as it is right that it is)
point 2: the social form is influential for the purposes of the relationship between the parties, if in the contract or supply are well specified the things to do the problems do not arise, indeed they protect you.
point 3: return to point 1; If those who commission a "project" did not do the calculations, I personally would not develop the project but I would do the calculations for a verification and I would charge even the calculations, those do not do to free.
point 4: I believe that if you visit the college of experts and experts graduates of vs. region you will find at least a few thousand associates, let alone those who do this job without being enrolled.......... .
bye
claudio minisini
sintiatec s.a.s.

 

[re_solidworks]

with srl the minimum share capital to be paid is 10,400,00 € and in case of a gorssa contestation from the putno of civil view can subtract you the assets of srl plus the share capital (which must be guaranteed by the members). already this is a good insurance.
for the rest it is necessary to put everything black on white including the clauses of the type "the project will have to be verified by the manufacturer priam of the production, the study is free from any responsibility".
If they don't accept it, they change the customer!
I have tried to inform myself about the insurance but I have not yet found a company that covers economic damage to production.
If my mistake collapses a finished structure the damage due to this collapse is covered, but if I design a square flange that goes coupled to a round causing damage to my client the insurance does not answer me.
I think the best protection is the contract and srl is a good protection with those who do not accept the clauses.