export techniques

[gisonar]

Hello.
working with the 3d model and automating the designs with the viewports is a great comfort as well as a big saving of time, especially having the possibility to insert the annotations (quotes, texts, finishes to the drawing). said this, when it happens to "dover" export the two-dimensional drawings (plants, sections, etc...) to colleagues who use autocad I have to overtake all the work of
>convert in lines (or group) every viewport
> copy and paste annotation elements
> copy and scale all in a new layer

I would like to know if there are any faster ways, maybe implemented in the latest versions. I have 12.0 on a robust powermac g5

Thank you.

 

[lory.b]

Why convert viewports? !
presentation lights and viewports were added in vw, not only for the purpose of the layout and printing, but also for the ability to import/export and manage the paper spaces and viewports of the dwg.
annotations can create problems. you should quote on the glossy design and add notes directly into the shiny presentation.
I do.

 

[gisonar]

In fact, I was referring to the annotations. I used them at first only for a few notes, now I use them massively to draw not only samples, quotas, masks but also details of completion to the viewport extracted from the model. use so I assure you that you manage a complex work in a very clean and precise way. Besides, you can correct those imperfections that sometimes come out of the hidden line (loose lines or too much) and complete in 2d those elements that other cad/bim force you to model.

 

[lory.b]

Here, no, draw in the shiny presentation no! ;
I understand that it is convenient; If you make a nice table that goes to the press you can still pass this thing. but we must keep in mind that, unfortunately having to interface daily with consultants who use the dwg, certain things must be avoided.
you have to give them a design as much as possible "clean" (they should do it too...) where it is easy to keep working. keeping in mind that, certain things that for us vw users are usually, the dwg does not support them or manage them differently.
I do.

 

[lory.b]

I'd like to add something else.
presentation layers and viewports only serve for printing purposes.
Instead, it is essential that the design layers, those on which you work and where the various consultants will work, be organized and designed as a rule of art.
I often receive dwg where many parts of the drawing are made directly in the paper space... to send them back.
in the architectonic in progress, that I send to the strutturista and the planner and I know that it will come back with new fundamental information for the advancement of my project, layer of presentation and viewport can very well not exist.
I do.

 

[gisonar]

Well, then let's put it like this:
is the proof that vw allows to adopt different techniques (is not its strength?). work only in 2d, work with 2d/3d parametric objects, or use 3d with extrusions, boolean, etc.
I adopt the last method that makes me more flexible the approach to internal restructuring projects and, in fact, I use annotations to add all elements 2d.
to export I will lose some extra time, but eventually overall I can get a great result and in short time.
I have been using vw for a few years and, if it can serve, I recommend it for this flexibility. . .
ah, thanks lory of the answers and in general of all the precious "draws" that you give on the forum.
Giuseppe

 

[lory.b]

vw is fantastic because it allows to do everything, I agree
The problem is that we let ourselves take the hand... and among us vw users there would be no problem, if it were not that we must always interface with the dwg world.
here I am taking some advice for an export that gives acceptable results. had appeared a long time ago on vw's mailng-list. Many things you'll know already, others might be helpful. the best thing, in the end it is to prepare a copy of your ad hoc file for export.
I do.

- plants should not be superimposed, on separate layers.
in acad will result a "pastone" all on a single layer
- if on the exported dwgs we will have to work it is better to engage a single viewport for sheet layers. if you export multiple viewports on a single sheet layer, some will appear as symbols and you will need some work to restore the design.
- before exporting "group" all groups
- it would be good to explode the symbols.
- eliminate fillings, especially those of white color (in autocad become wipeout)
- select the "map line weights to colors" option to associate with each line thickness a color. this system is still universally used.
- verify the design with both backgrounds, black and white, to make sure that all objects are visible from those using a different background.
- assign to the resolution of 2d and 3d conversion a low value when it is crucial to contain the file size. Lower resolutions involve smaller file sizes, but also scaled effect.

 

[gisonar]

...I would like this list and send it directly to nemetschek to implement them as export options in particular:
- possibility of disposing on a single layer the drawings made on the various layers (a kind of command distributes equidistant)
- possibility to create single vp for sheet layer
- automatic grouping and explosion of groups and symbols
- automatic elimination of white fillings

 

[lory.b]

- possibility of disposing on a single layer the drawings made on the various layers (a kind of command distributes equidistant)

for a matter of weight I think it is better to export each layer as a single file, option that the export interface offers. having plants scattered around the sheet I find it decidedly disordered... but on the other hand we are used to work differently;-)

- possibility to create single vp for sheet layer

You can already do this, it's something you decide when you create a viewport.

- automatic grouping and explosion of groups and symbols

is an option in the export interface. I don't remember if since 2010, though.

- automatic elimination of white fillings

It's not a simple thing, I wouldn't ask the software.
because there can be a whole world of lines behind a filling. are things that must be prepared with the awareness of what you are doing; You have to give the right information.
I do.