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Good day to all,
I am about to face for the first time the purchase and use of a business center.
I have received several offers from machine dealers, but of course everyone tells their truth.
would you tell me some forums that deal with machine tools so you have some opinion? ?
Thank you:
 
dedicated forums do not know if there are any, you can still ask here since good or bad we have to deal with macchs. tools every day... or almost.
generally the price says almost everything, then if you have very specific needs then it is another speech ... to deepen.
 
Shrek said:
dedicated forums do not know if there are any, you can still ask here since good or bad we have to deal with macchs. tools every day... or almost.
generally the price says almost everything, then if you have very specific needs then it is another speech ... to deepen.
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Thank you,shrek,but I didn't want to go.
Anyway, this is the dilemma:
I am evaluating the purchase of an average price range working center.
I currently have three offers for a three-axis vertical working center + 4th axis with continuous swivel table.
+/- 1250x600x600.
spindle 8.000/10.000 turns.
machines are:
doosan dnm 650 cnc fanuc
dahlih mcv 1200 cnc fanuc
hurko vm 30 cnc hurko
I am still waiting for the offer for a quaser mv-204-cv
the price of the first two is basically the same, the hurko costs about 6,000 € less, but it is definitely a more "light" car compared to the other two.
Does anyone use them?
Some straight?
thanks in advance:smile:
 
Tarkus said:
Thank you,shrek,but I didn't want to go.
Anyway, this is the dilemma:
I am evaluating the purchase of an average price range working center.
I currently have three offers for a three-axis vertical working center + 4th axis with continuous swivel table.
+/- 1250x600x600.
spindle 8.000/10.000 turns.
machines are:
doosan dnm 650 cnc fanuc
dahlih mcv 1200 cnc fanuc
hurko vm 30 cnc hurko
I am still waiting for the offer for a quaser mv-204-cv
the price of the first two is basically the same, the hurko costs about 6,000 € less, but it is definitely a more "light" car compared to the other two.
Does anyone use them?
Some straight?
thanks in advance:smile:
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ok tarkus

You have to tell us more information about it, I better explain materials you want to work if you need to use it for sporadic construction works like I know you need 10 bushings build them to complete a equipment and stop you or make daily push production on three shifts... etc...

materials that you intend to work... example if you have to work wood and one thing, if we talk about titanium or steel or marble and another thing then change the type of work center

I apologize for the rush in writing:)

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hi tarkus I wanted to ask you how you think you can manage the programming of the machine if from cam or machine edge.
If you need to program on board the machine I would recommend machines that have integrated colloquial systems like mazak cost maybe a little more but have a very simple management.
 
say that for 70% I need for internal use (we manufacture machinery and equipment). the rest for specific pieces on customer's design, however I don't have to do the third party.
materials to work:
A little everyone:
aisi 304, alloy steels and non-aluminum, plastic.
No shifts (maybe there was so much work).
almost in those cases that I need hundreds of equal pieces for my work, I still find it beneficial to turn to a third party; the problem arises when you introduce yourself to the third party with the request of three or four pieces.
It is also from here the need to have a car inside the company.
@ endrio:
for "simple" things, it will manage the machine operator directly, for more complex stuff, on cam.
in fact all machines have a conversational +/- evolved. . .
 
I don't know the hurko but the convesational fanuc was never a great deal.
However with fansuc you are very attentive to memory that is usually very poor and if you want to work from cam consider the possibility to insert a data server and a network connection.
If I can also allow those who sell doosan should also sell awea which is a similar product but of slightly lower cost.
 
other thing... if you use a cam software you have to predict the purchase of a post processor that fits perfectly with the plc on the machine... also for personal experience, make sure that the price is turnkey... possiblemte a few months after installation... I'll explain. we have assembled the machines and tried them... So for them they were all fine but after the first days served to the operators to take our hand the machines began to trouble. . type noisy bearings liquid leaks etc. for me are youngsters to be fully charged to the company which instead has adapted everything to us
 
thanks in the meantime of the advice, and I hope that others arrive, magari from some users of the indicated machines.
I'm still going to make some evaluations, so the rose of the machines in question will be more or less the one indicated, even because we have a budget of 100k€ and we are already dangerously close...:biggrin:
 
even if I am not lover of the verticals (the posiz. horizontal always remains the best :biggrin:), I can give you some tips.
try to pull the price by making you include some options.
seen the small series of pieces better definitely a chain of 80 places instead of 40 (magari with system balluff).
if you do much more steel than aluminum, better the 8000 turns than the 12000 (personally I always prefer the torque at the expense of speed).
with many options you begin to see the 'real' value of the machine.
Usually manufacturers tend to make a product as lean as possible to have a competitive price to show.
As in the end, in proportion, it costs more 'to invest' the machine, better to think about it in the phase of purchase, the old motto ... who + spends - spends here it takes a lot.
Even cn options count a lot, if you plan often on the machine let the fanuc std stay, go on a better package.
programming to cam any cn is fine.
In regard to the machine, although not in absolute, after the Japanese are definitely Koreans (so doosan), then Taiwanese, Chinese, etc...
the top however reach the Germans (species with the price).
I did not value the Italians for fatherland (we were in number one).
 
I have an awea and another Taiwanese and sincerely I find myself very well especially with the first (general mechanics and some die casting mold) .poi the assistance is excellent. doosan for me is a step above but surely it is above also with the price!!! I recommend awea especially because from what I understand you have no demand for production push and so I say that it has a good quality price ratio (for me you can stay under 100k!!!). of standard is already beautiful equipped with optional (I have put only 12000 turns and tastatore). Let's say so of all Taiwanese for me awea is the best also because it has behind an importer with 200 employees.I keep personalmemte advice on 12000 (with a 80 cut on c40 throw away 2.5 mm full cut quietly) l 8000 on the aluminum you make stern! :biggrin::eek: other difference between awea and doosan the first is on turquoise (24m fast) and the other I think is on skates (every has its tastes...)! !
I would recommend heidenein (Laselca no longer controls senno selca all' vita) but also fanuc for what you have to do goes well. only advice take a cam immediately and do everything from there or at least a lot. in a year or a little more you have already shocked the investment! ! !
I hope I helped you! !
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