from catia v5 to pro-engineer

[10boom85]

Hey, guys.

I wanted to ask you for advice as well as your general opinions.

the company where I work uses caia from, practically, when it was born! about 2 years ago we were absorbed by an American multinational and today, given the concrete need for globalization of resources, we are "forced" to migrate towards pro-engineer.

It'll look like a stupid question, but... is it possible to make such a migration (all the history of catia goes "lost"? )
Have any of you guys done anything like that before?

advice, opinions?

Thank you in advance for your help!!! !

Bye-bye
Andrea

 

[Prof.]

pro-engineer has conversion modules from catia 3d (parts and assemblies) to pro-engineer, obviously losing the aber of features.
remains the problem for the 2d but there are in trade 2d catia converters to dxf as crosscad.
companies I know used these two solutions.
Bye.

 

[10boom85]

losing the genealogical tree of the 3d already creates a beautiful "danno".
having to convert the 2d to dxf >>>> > losing all connections between 3d and 2d is a disaster... would be a work of months to set up the server :-s

Thank you, sir.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Hello boom, from which version of catia should you migrate? v4, v5?
Do you have a pdm?

greetings ozzy

 

[10boom85]

Hello, Ozzy.

Catia v5 r19.

What do you mean by pdm?

 

[Prof.]

pro-engineer has conversion modules from catia 3d (parts and assemblies) to pro-engineer, obviously losing the aber of features.
remains the problem for the 2d but there are in trade 2d catia converters to dxf as crosscad.
companies I know used these two solutions.
Bye.

Unfortunately, every passage of software is painful.
Bye.

 

[The_Matrix]

Hey, guys.

I wanted to ask you for advice as well as your general opinions.

the company where I work uses caia from, practically, when it was born! about 2 years ago we were absorbed by an American multinational and today, given the concrete need for globalization of resources, we are "forced" to migrate towards pro-engineer.

It'll look like a stupid question, but... is it possible to make such a migration (all the history of catia goes "lost"? )
Have any of you guys done anything like that before?

advice, opinions?

Thank you in advance for your help!!! !

Bye-bye
Andrea

I suggest you take a look at the transcendent... I saw prophecy in action and it's not bad.http://www.transcendata.com/in general I give you my vision. . .
in the context of a translation Mass of one historian from one cad to another, pay attention to these 2 aspects:
1) loyalty in assembly recovery (constraint structure and assembly)
2) Loyalty in the recovery of 2d (pittoric and, possibly, of the bond 2d/3d)
... the fetures, listen to me, let them lose, for 2 good reasons:
a) if the model is "simple" (mechanical/prismatic) tools such as synchronous technology, or similar, calmly solve the problem.
the "design intent" is not so important and it is very difficult to recep correctly from a featurers translation tool.
b) if the model is "complete" (freeform) the features normally are complex and very difficult to interpret. . the translation produces very little usable results... You'll have to remake the model.

However the "product" is not made by features/model... but from the assembly with its components that they interact.
better update the assembly and tables that bring the features.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Hello, Ozzy.

Catia v5 r19.

What do you mean by pdm?

what prof. spoke to you is the direct passage using the atb for catia v5 that aim for now has arrived until the r17, but surely will also arrive at your current r19, with the new realase of pro/e.

the atb (associative topology bus) is more than a simple "translator" in import and export, but it allows to import or export a set or part made in catia towards pro/e maintaining the association, without passing from step or iges.

attention I say associativeness, therefore 3d geometry, topology, colors, extended names and attributes of parts and assemblies, not the historicity of the model tree,
this is not currently possible as caia and pro/e have two different kernels.
pdm is the product data management, the program that manages the life cycle of data cad/cam/ecc, which resides in an oracle database rather than sql server, usually attached to an erp for the management of the analogue articles, codes, etc.
I asked you if you have a pdm because if you have to make a massive export of catia vs pro/e data and you also have a pdm, you have to take into account, otherwise the blood bath is assured...:frown:

if you need more info ask without problems.

greetings

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I suggest you take a look at the transcendent... I saw prophecy in action and it's not bad.http://www.transcendata.com/in general I give you my vision. . .
in the context of a translation Mass of one historian from one cad to another, pay attention to these 2 aspects:
1) loyalty in assembly recovery (constraint structure and assembly)
2) Loyalty in the recovery of 2d (pittoric and, possibly, of the bond 2d/3d)
... the fetures, listen to me, let them lose, for 2 good reasons:
a) if the model is "simple" (mechanical/prismatic) tools such as synchronous technology, or similar, calmly solve the problem.
the "design intent" is not so important and it is very difficult to recep correctly from a featurers translation tool.
b) if the model is "complete" (freeform) the features normally are complex and very difficult to interpret. . the translation produces very little usable results... You'll have to remake the model.

However the "product" is not made by features/model... but from the assembly with its components that they interact.
better update the assembly and tables that bring the features.

I agree with beppe on the whole line.
you will have even more flexibility to manage third-party files, without necessarily needing the feature tree.

 

[10boom85]

thanks for the comments guys!! !

For the record... we don't have a pdm!

Ultimately how do you advise me to proceed?

I asked the commercial ptc a meeting to illustrate in particular the software as well as the various packages, I will discuss with them also the problem migration.

Thanks for the help!

Andrea

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

thanks for the comments guys!! !

For the record... we don't have a pdm!

Ultimately how do you advise me to proceed?

I asked the commercial ptc a meeting to illustrate in particular the software as well as the various packages, I will discuss with them also the problem migration.

Thanks for the help!

Andrea

better for you if you have no pdm, in this case problems are less heavy.
but if you have been absorbed by a multinational just for globalization you will be forced to use it.
to give you some sensible advice, you should understand how many files we are talking about. . .

 

[Prof.]

ozzy uses pvts if you want to sell software.
Thank you.
Bye.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

ozzy uses pvts if you want to sell software.
Thank you.
Bye.

prof. dictated by you then... You could have saved this, it's a low-level joke.

 

[10boom85]

Calm down.... be clear that I don't want to buy anything (at least for the moment... ! ! ! !

regarding the amount of files, it is around 40000 files (including single parts, assembled and 2d).

Bye-bye

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Calm down.... be clear that I don't want to buy anything (at least for the moment... ! ! ! !

regarding the amount of files, it is around 40000 files (including single parts, assembled and 2d).

Bye-bye

we are quiet not to worry, I have only answered questions as did prof. on the other hand this is a free forum....:wink:

 

[Prof.]

prof. dictated by you then... You could have saved this, it's a low-level joke.

dictated by me then.. What? 10boom85 didn't tell you about pdm but he just wanted to have advice on catia-pro-e conversion. It's not a low-level joke, if you want to sell something pvt scripts, it seems more correct!
Bye.

p.s. I as you see I do not advertise anyone even if I work for a var of which few in this forum know the name, maybe only you.

 

[The_Matrix]

dictated by me then.. What? 10boom85 didn't tell you about pdm but he just wanted to have advice on catia-pro-e conversion. It's not a low-level joke, if you want to sell something pvt scripts, it seems more correct!
Bye.

p.s. I as you see I do not advertise anyone even if I work for a var of which few in this forum know the name, maybe only you.

He thinks I understood everything except that ozzy wanted to sell something to Mr. 10boom85. .

 

[Prof.]

who wants to understand, let us keep on purely technical advice. then if we are made commercial requests we answer in pvt.

I don't even like advertising in your signature showing a clear intention of wanting to sell something in a forum where only advice is given, especially if it is advertising of software dealers cad which is widely spoken in this forum.

if you want to sell software use your sites, your forums and your blogs or whatever the hell you want but not this forum.

This is my opinion and that remains.

Thank you.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

dictated by me then.. What? 10boom85 didn't tell you about pdm but he just wanted to have advice on catia-pro-e conversion. It's not a low-level joke, if you want to sell something pvt scripts, it seems more correct!
Bye.

p.s. I as you see I do not advertise anyone even if I work for a var of which few in this forum know the name, maybe only you.

dictated by you that you work from a var indeed!
on the fact of advertising is a problem of your own not of my own, a few months ago I received a pvt from hunter who kindly invited me to sign the activity in compliance with the rules of the forum and I followed them even if I didn't feel it necessary, when I was moderator of this forum had already jumped out the discussion, you want me to remake the sun?

on the fact of the pdm my was a purely technical question and to put it to boom seemed more than necessary and professional besides obvious, if they had a pdm and had to migrate 40'000 files was far more than rognose the situation, I did not just limit myself to see the world cad, but all this had nothing to do with the commercial aspect, your joke is low level just for this, when I was never a var

 

[The_Matrix]

who wants to understand, let us keep on purely technical advice. then if we are made commercial requests we answer in pvt.

I don't even like advertising in your signature showing a clear intention of wanting to sell something in a forum where only advice is given, especially if it is advertising of software dealers cad which is widely spoken in this forum.

if you want to sell software use your sites, your forums and your blogs or whatever the hell you want but not this forum.

This is my opinion and that remains.

Thank you.

I was also strongly advised to declare in the signature the company I work for. . .
Maybe you're "out of standard"...

and it seems to me that it is me that ozzy we have given only and only advice on how to approach data migration.

But you seem to me, that you only argue here... and advise no one. . .
so, less predicted... thanks...