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[angelo0073]

good morning to all I would like to know if any of you tried to empty the classes and properties from the cad in object in a single move (i.e. without selecting and deleting the files individually)....qs problem is determined because if a drawing contains many classes will have an unnecessarily higher pear. ...
....with response from other users of gbg dm 8.2a

thank you all
angela

 

[cacciatorino]

good morning to all I would like to know if any of you tried to empty the classes and properties from the cad in object in a single move (i.e. without selecting and deleting the files individually)....qs problem is determined because if a drawing contains many classes will have an unnecessarily higher pear. ...
....with response from other users of gbg dm 8.2a

thank you all
angela

Try like this:

can clas @

It works on dm 7.0, I don't use 8.x, but I use it by opening a file at a time, and from there it erases all the empty classes. to use it massively inside a directory maybe you have to program a little, but there I can't help you.

Bye.

 

[SelectroM]

in some cases, the names of the classes to be deleted contain characters that gbg does not manage (especially if the design has been converted from the dwg or dxf format). in these cases removal of files requires a delicate and complex drawing recovery operation.

ideal is to do an ad hoc procedure after analyzing the problem by inspecting a "infect" design.

I recommend you as a minimum intervention to reprogram the save key of gbg 8.2a before the existing rescue instruction the command suggested by hunter, so as to execute it to each rescue.

ps. Are you sure it's the classes that take you away space and not the symbols? Have you tried the command delete unnecessary symbols?

 

[cacciatorino]

ps. Are you sure it's the classes that take you away space and not the symbols? Have you tried the command delete unnecessary symbols?

Look, I had that problem with a client's drawings, and the problem was right in the classes. applied the command, the weight of the design passed from 250k to 30.

 

[angelo0073]

thanks guys I try right away....the problem is just not to put me to clear the classes to one by one (when I am + 3000!!). ...
....I tried to delete the symbols either with the command "cancel symbols" and either with "reduces" and already qs lightens a bit but when I verify the situation space in some dis I find many classes due to the import of some already "full" files of qs., sometimes I use the command "cancella classes" and everything is empty but when I have a dis. containing 3/4000 classes the program stops and closes:-(
..the problem becomes consistent on drawings of plants in large formats (a0) heavy about 6000mb but with "design area" to 95%, "data area" to 29% and classes 3897!!!...then the import of other files or movements become tragic... .

..sorry again but I did not find a community dedicated to gbg
in the meantime I thank you and I try immediately
Good day
angel0073 (gbg dm 8.2a with os xp professional)

 

[cacciatorino]

thanks guys I try right away....the problem is just not to put me to clear the classes to one by one (when I am + 3000!!). ...
....I tried to delete the symbols either with the command "cancel symbols" and either with "reduces" and already qs lightens a bit but when I verify the situation space in some dis I find many classes due to the import of some already "full" files of qs., sometimes I use the command "cancella classes" and everything is empty but when I have a dis. containing 3/4000 classes the program stops and closes:-(
..the problem becomes consistent on drawings of plants in large formats (a0) heavy about 6000mb but with "design area" to 95%, "data area" to 29% and classes 3897!!!...then the import of other files or movements become tragic... .

..sorry again but I did not find a community dedicated to gbg
in the meantime I thank you and I try immediately
Good day
angel0073 (gbg dm 8.2a with os xp professional)

the command I have indicated deletes all blank classes from the drawing, I can delete 2-3000 classes on each .d file without problems with one command, is not that you have a low memory level set in the dm.ini file? I'll put an extract from mine.

 gbg v7.0
*
** example of initialization file per pc windows nt - 95
** (to use that file, replace dircad with root
** installation, then enter the desired keys
** Breaking the various rows and adding to the string
*** launch key -ini <path-name di="" file="" ini=""> )
*
* msg dircad\dm70\files\dm.msg
* msg 1 dircad\dm70\files\parl.msg
* msg 2 dircad\dm70\files\prmsg
drc g:\disegni\
0 0.6 0.2
und 32 1 4000000000
qvp 1
uni c:\cadlab\dm70\files\uni.tab
*
* pro gbg
gra beep off
* pld dircad\dm70\files\dmini
* prc init
* end</path-name>

p.s. sometimes when it wasn't there, I solved it like this:

1) Make a happy group all drawing
2) save it in the group library
3) Open a new file
4) insert the above group and explore it
5) save the new file over the old "problematic" file

The advantage is that classes and properties are not included in the group. must make a backup of your libsim.dl before attempting! ! ! ! ! !

when not even the above worked, I saved in dxf r13 and then reimported and saved as .d.

 

[angelo0073]

thanks 1000 illustrious moderator, I try as soon as possible with qs "trucco". ...
Good day
angela

 

[SelectroM]

thanks 1000 illustrious moderator, I try as soon as possible with qs "trucco". ...

if not even these procedures solve your problem, send me a "infect" design via email and I will make you a complete analysis.

 

[angelo0073]

hi I checked the problem well:
I was that the nearly 4000 classes weigh a little but the biggest problem is when the design (plantlay-out) has qs characteristics:
design area= 93%
area symbols=0%
area property=4%
area relationships=0%
data area=29%

of which 2 groups and 3083 classes;
the problem is the lack of importing other files and the sudden alerts you area undo full (so close the file and reopen it). ..initially attributed the guilt to the classes but also following the vs precious indications (salvation in dxf or dwg and laughter to clean the useless classes.) the thing does not change...
What advice do you want to give me?

thank you for your competence
angela

 

[cacciatorino]

hi I checked the problem well:
I was that the nearly 4000 classes weigh a little but the biggest problem is when the design (plantlay-out) has qs characteristics:
design area= 93%
area symbols=0%
area property=4%
area relationships=0%
data area=29%

of which 2 groups and 3083 classes;
the problem is the lack of importing other files and the sudden alerts you area undo full (so close the file and reopen it). ..initially attributed the guilt to the classes but also following the vs precious indications (salvation in dxf or dwg and laughter to clean the useless classes.) the thing does not change...
What advice do you want to give me?

thank you for your competence
angela

If the design is big, it's big, there's little to do. gbg is a 20-year-old cad when design demands were limited.

You could try to group the repeated entities as symbols. symbols weigh for "one piece" and then the recurrences are only logical pointers to the first symbol and not true geometric primitives. then you should see if you have "spline" or samples exploded in the drawing. this often happens by doing back and forth between .d and .dxf and makes the weight of the drawing increase a lot.
have you increased the memory available to the program as indicated in the annex dm.ini a few days ago?

but are there still 3800 classes in the drawing?

 

[angelo0073]

hi sincerely I was afraid to touch the dm.ini file I would like to avoid... I gave a read to the content of qs file and if the value is inherent I think it is the same i.e. the string und 32 1 4000000000 is like your (I assume that the 4e+006 are the 4'000'000'000'000'000' of the data area of your indication. ....
....with resignation I think it is as you say: the dis is great and point:-(

 

[SelectroM]

I analyzed the design you sent me.

As I suppose, the command deletes classes is not enough to erase all classes in the drawing. the data structure of the classes is also damaged (recommends cheerfully crash gbg when you go to work on).

with my drawing cleaning procedure I managed to erase all classes, but that's not your problem. the only advantage I got is that on disk the occupation fell from 5.8 to 5.6mb.

your problem is that version 8.2 manages a maximum of 128000 primitives in the data area, and you have already occupied 119565. you have little space available. increase the parameter of the und area, in your case, does not affect the problem in any way, as it is rooted in the data area, not in the undo area. the data area, unfortunately, remained limited to 128000 primitive until 8.2, and was made to dynamic expansion only with 9.0.

to recover a little space, you can create some symbols of the views or zones "congelate", hoping you don't have to explode in the future because you could again crush against the limit of 128000 primitive and you would find yourself in a situation without way out. symbols, I recommend, not groups.

the definitive solution could be to move to gbg 9.1, which no longer has the limit of 128000 primitives, if you can convince think3 to sell it. I have only one license left and I hold it tight, even if for the conversions of drawings from d to dwg or dxf gbg is exceeded in quality by other tools.

ps: a punctualization at the level of curiosity: gbg is not an old program of 20 years, but of 22, I think (it turns out to be born in 1979). 9.1 (last, as far as I know), is of 2003, although it declares copyright for 2002, so it has "only" 7 years.

 

[angelo0073]

hi marco thank you heartily for your expert advice....unfortunately seen the times the company where I work can not make investments on qs cause...... although I would be curious to see a 9.1....my colleague who draws tells me that he started working with qs in 1988 with version 2.1 (on unix)....we already struggle to buy 8.2a (because we bought their 3d thinkdesign 5.0
Thank you again and wish you a good day
greetings
Angel