headphones and anti-noise plugs

[Singe]

Good morning to all,

I recently started working at a company with particularly noisy presses and automatic machines. In particular, covering a role as supervisor of these machines, my desk with pc station is right in the middle of two of these machines (automatic however, presses make a noise much worse). As a protective device, I have earplugs.

the problem is that, not being assulumente accustomed to the noise and in particular I am intolerant to the plugs, I return home badly to the ear ducts for the pressure of the caps and an annoying whistle in the ears as they do not isolate them very well (and why I don't even put them at the bottom since I get hurt after 10 min).

what I would like to ask you are the insulating values of the headphones regarding the plugs (information that I find difficult to find) and some links, if you have, with some detailed information.

I would also like to ask you personal opinions for those who prefer caps or headphones.

p.s. in the company where I work everyone uses the plugs and some, because maybe really tolerant, they do not use them (by preventing them from violating the regulation). Therefore it is a relatively difficult evaluation because, in case I choose headphones, besides being the only one to use them I should also ask for a particular order to the company. I would like to make sure that the headphones are more of the plugs and allow me to have greater comfort during and after work.

thank you all for every help!

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

while I bring you back the link to law 626 http://www.google.it/url? q=http://...ggkmam&usg=afqjcnhot5yq5bq_ruubh_kh0du_dziw8aC
then I tell you that there are devices that are made on the specific employee via calco and are ppractically eternal. I don't know if they're calibratable on frequencies.
Moreover many to be obligated by the law the company has all conveniences, even economic, has given you the suitable supports. an employee with the perennial headache does not wave much.
Finally, these observations of yours must be communicated to the entities set up as the company that must take note of it and communicate it to the owners or those for them

 

[gerod]

i.e. that the law on safety on workplaces is Legislative Decree 81/08.
The title is about noise.
otoprotectors must be chosen according to the exposure values to noise and therefore the employer must make the risk assessment, measure the values of action and finally choose the appropriate dpi.
I would use these two rules:
uni en 458:2016 (for the choice and use of otoprotectors)
uni 11347:2015 (for the definition of the program of reduction of exposure of workers to noise).
If you have headaches and whistle your ears obviously prevention and protection measures are not good!
give an eye to art. 189
Hi.

 

[cacciatorino]

Good morning to all,

I recently started working at a company with particularly noisy presses and automatic machines. In particular, covering a role as supervisor of these machines, my desk with pc station is right in the middle of two of these machines (automatic however, presses make a noise much worse). As a protective device, I have earplugs.

the problem is that, not being assulumente accustomed to the noise and in particular I am intolerant to the plugs, I return home badly to the ear ducts for the pressure of the caps and an annoying whistle in the ears as they do not isolate them very well (and why I don't even put them at the bottom since I get hurt after 10 min).

what I would like to ask you are the insulating values of the headphones regarding the plugs (information that I find difficult to find) and some links, if you have, with some detailed information.


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all these things are governed by Legislative Decree 81 (c.d.ex-626). your company has definitely compiled a dvr (doubting risk assessment in which all possible risks are described for the worker, including noise), and appointed a rspp (responsible prevention and protection service, usually the holder) and a rls (representative of safety workers). I say "seriously" because it is legal obligations to which to withdraw could cause very heavy penalties, at the limits of the penalty, so surely your company will have already fulfilled everything provided by dl81.

said this, you should turn to the rspp or rls to give you headphones, which will surely not be rejected being material from a few dozen euros. rather the headphones should be chosen on the basis of the noise level found (see dvr) because a slightly attenuating headset might be useless, a too damping could instead be dangerous because maybe it would prevent you from hearing the bed coming or something like that.

Pay attention to the speech of prevention, because it is very important on the long term, and if neglected could also cause the emergence of occupational diseases.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

refer to what is said by gerod and hunter. caps are normally used for a short time, while for prolonged exposures better to use cast or headphone otoprotectors. in summer the headphones make the ears sweat a bit, but i always found them very comfortable.

sometimes for exposures greater than four hours, but for no more than three days in a row, in the environment with noise around 140 db(a) (five meters from the air blades of galvanizing tanks for tapes) i used caps and over the headphones and i was pretty good. but if someone shouts "care" in that way you don't feel it, then this risk increases.

finally i consider that few people know. your headphones put them and protect you, your caps don't. are accompanied by a manual of instructions that everyone throws away thinking "but do you want me to read a manual for plugs?" that's right. there is a procedure to thread them and if you do not respect it you end up pushing them too crushing them. the foam with which they are formed is studied to have a precise curve of attenuation according to the frequency, if you crush them too much such curve is no longer respected, favoring the high frequencies and cutting the averages that instead should not be cut because they are centered on the human voice. so if you find yourself using them, use the headphones that is best.

sorry, one more thing. do you have the coffee machine? where is it located? tu81 prescribes that refreshment areas must be far from noise.

 

[Singe]

thank you all for the answers. the company is completely in order and made me sign a sheet with all the indications of the noise risk and the exposures in which i run. in addition to the description of each risk and dpi by the rspp.

by law and the findings they have done, the protection they adopt, the caps, is theoretically sufficient. of course, the subjective predisposition cannot be assessed.

in any case i would have no security problems, i am close to completely isolated machines and in an area not reachable by moorings. moreover it is a section of the factory with temperature control, so i should not sweat using the headphones or find discomfort to bring them during the summer.

what i am most interested in is your personal opinion on the comfort of headphones and plugs and on the effectiveness of insulation, after which i will assess whether to apply to the company to procur them.

from what you recommended is much better to use headphones than to have caps that press for 8 hours.

 

[rinato]

hi singe, I subscribe all the above recommended and that the headphones are also more comfortable for me than the plugs. from us (which we draw ) are suitable for both the caps, and the bows, and the headphones of 2 degrees, as a level of attenuation, for example, .

and I'm going to get a targeted question: The area where you have to stay for work is on an antivibrating carpet or something? or are you on the cement of the industrial floor? because they are not only acoustic vibrations to be able to give headache, but also waves, we say so, seismic. Usually the larger presses are rested on isolated foundations and it is probably so also for yours, but these automatic machines (which I cannot know what they are doing, but I presume not to comb dolls) are isolated or feel the floor vibrate? we for certain heavy work on board press we put those black rubber mats to fatigue less the operator.

Good work, though.
greetings, reborn

 

[Singe]

Hello reborn,

In the automatic machine area there are rubber mats (they seemed to me), I suppose they were laid for this reason and for hygenic and antivibrational reasons.

I don't know, presses aren't from that department, but if I'm not mistaken, they still have some kind of base.

I found headphones "drump x4 - snr=33 db" of 3m, they are very insulating but despite this the model is new and has a very compact design.

Now I will check that plugs I am using, I found the model but there are two versions from 27db and 32db, Monday I will see then at work.

 

[gerod]

from what you recommended is much better to use headphones than to have caps that press for 8 hours.

in the dvr should be written what you have to wear. dpi should be chosen according to the type of risk and relative entity.

 

[marcof]

what I am most interested in is your personal opinion on the comfort of headphones and plugs

As far as I am concerned, I would certainly say the headphones.

 

[gerod]

definitely!
but be careful that dpi should be provided by the employer. You can't decide to wear whatever you want!
If you have an unauthorized dpi risk that, in the case of accidents or occupational disease, the employer is not responsible. It's already happened.
validate your choice by hearing rspp and doctor.

 

[Singe]

I'll see you. I asked my headphones to the hipp that gave me permission to choose them and order them from the company. I suppose the problem is solved, then I will see their actual convenience compared to the plugs.

 

[gerod]

formally the rspp cannot decide (unless it is also employer or delegate), if anything is the employer who authorizes you!
Still good

 

[ninfh]

both headphones and plugs are uncomfortable to use for a long time, it is a matter of habit.

I personally prefer disposable caps and on some particularly harassed work headphones are added to the plugs.

for the plugs, it changes enormously as you put them, they can be torture or you can forget to have them, depends on how much you buy them before you stick them.

for headphones instead, fall enormously from the type of headphone you have at your disposal, personally I am very well with the optime ii of 3m (if I don't remember badly they cost on 20-30€). but I have no idea whether they fit into the protection class you need to use or not