ethically does not bend (especially for those who did engineering and not political sciences. . ).the lack of qualifications, unless family or similar impediments, I see it as a right discriminant.
I remember doing, years ago in a time when I was actively looking for, an interview I didn't care about. We say that I was a candidate, but while I had already done other talks that seemed more interesting to me, and to have gone to the countervoke agency. after I was exposed in detail the offer, I was even more grieved, and accomplice also the referent not very bright at some point I almost got to say that 2+2=5 that would not make the difference.Unfortunately in recent years the labour market has ended up in the hands of these agencies.
companies turn to them, sometimes even just for a first scramble. the thing leads to distortions for which people who would be eligible for a role are discarded a priori because the assessment is made by people who do not know the working environment for which the worker is sought, or because the company has placed stakes, for example the possession of a degree, which are useless in the selection.
Back to your case I would treasure the training you are receiving, I would try to learn as much as possible and, when you are autonomous, I would advance requests.
that is why it should be considered.ethically does not bend (especially for those who did engineering and not political sciences. . ).
the company, instead, of the title of study should not affect anything: what matters is what the employee knows and knows (or maybe will know) do.
quoton.sacred. but if at least the first scramble did not count the pieces of paper that you hung on the wall, it would not make sense the entire sector of world education. all 19 years would go to work, trusting that long experience makes the difference more than notion.
In fact I think it depends on the skills that the company requires. Unfortunately in this forum there is this latent tendency not to see the skills of a graduate, preferring experience and assuming that the new graduate always and in any case format; I bet there are avalanches of graduates who daily use siemens engines, actuators festo and robot abb and are magicians to use them. but how many of them would work in the development of one of these devices? We want to ask the technicians who work in the r&d centres of these companies (locati in america, japan, germany, finlandia unfortunately) if they have enough diploma to obtain the roles that they claim?
This is your own interpretation of facts that you have no knowledge of. The motivations for which guy graduated and caio no, are not the subject of the evaluation (positive or negative dir si want) of the examiner.today obtaining a degree, especially if three years, has become quite simple, with a minimum of commitment you get. so if a person has not achieved it means that he has no desire and/or ability to achieve goals.
The less so are judgments on the state of need which may have led to some or other training paths. if possession of a given degree of study may (although not necessarily) be a reason for selection, certainly not the reasons that may have conditioned it.Clearly, if you could not study for serious reasons (personal, family, economic...etc) the speech changes.
even this statement is a little over the lines. that in Italy you do little research is true, but this is worth more than anything in academic or para-academic (ex-American companies ex-iri, ex-other), where research "quality" is latitating.... Italian companies ormani make only production but not research.. .
I do.Following your logic, the non-graduate who claims that he could not go to university for economic problems, but who could have done so with all his heart, should be considered different from the graduate who claims that he never thought of doing the university because he was refractory to the stale environment of our universities and that for this reason he preferred to study in by self-taught. No, he's not holding.
Well, a little arrogant I am, but basic ignorant I don't think I deserve it. . .to declare that I have chosen not to do the university because "the environment is stale" and to be able to do it as self-taught I know of strong arrogance and makes emerge a basic ignorance of the person.
and who tells you that it is not done. when I carry out this work I am also paid to evaluate these aspects. I can only tell you that the state of need for a candidate or even the same performance in the school path has little to do with the corporate profitability that he can develop.... but the selection should have a slightly broader breath to intuit the potential of the candidate, i.e. to identify what could grow in the future
Let me think... Yeah, it should. or in any case should be in natural times to acquire specific information (not years, otherwise in these laxes of time acquires the ability also an illiterate...).education is aimed at giving basic knowledge and a mental form, which will then be applied and developed in specific contexts.
Otherwise we return to the speech that an engineering graduate should be able to design autonomously aircraft, cars, automatic machines, carpentry structures and those who have more to put it.
as you don't want to generalize, I didn't want to generalize either. I saw and attended courses in a little university around the world and I did my comparisons. here in Italy I attended the two years in Padua and then in Trieste. when it was about adding mechanics to my electronics studies, I looked at myself from going back through those walls and chose to do it as a self-taught. if I define the Italian university environment as "stant" is certainly a generalization, but if we remove the normal pisa... becomes a little less generalized than it may appear.“the stale environment of our universities” .... less bad than in other threads you recalled not to generalize. the university that I attended, after giving me the classical base in the three-year, was everything except stalemate.
It seems to me that little I have seen and that I feel of the Italian medium industrial sector (eye: what I have seen; I do not want to generalize). .
Sorry, I was convinced I did, but the answer was between my fingers and the keys... remedy immediately:you have not denied my final “provocation”.
and what are the "natural" times for you? You say there's too many years? a degree in engineering or even a certificate of expert you think can be obtained in a few months maybe with an evening school or surfing the internet?Let me think... Yeah, it should. or in any case should be in natural times to acquire specific information (not years, otherwise in these laxes of time acquires the ability also an illiterate...).
if you find everything on the net and the opposite of everything and certain things do not find them (e.g. the norms, except if the discharges illegally), the fact that it focuses attention on the driver emphasizes the attention on the technicalism that you place in the interview.You answer me: it is common belief that a graduate cannot design an industrial motor in all the details necessary for its production of series. Why? What's missing? that it is perhaps some secret that is said only to those who work in the field? It seems to me that everything is on the net: from the texts in which there is the theoretical treatment, up to thousands of publications that treat everything, from the thickness of the box to the type of lubricant to the necessary measures and tools. because then a graduate is not even able to design something that is perhaps the subject of his thesis, and this is considered "normal"? It's not for me.
You only attended the two-year period and that's why university environments seem stale. Perhaps the department of mathematics or chemistry may seem to be, but in the two years we study the subjects that will then be propedeutic for subsequent examinations. Of course, if you were planning to do a machine construction course, you will be disappointed as before.as you don't want to generalize, I didn't want to generalize either. I saw and attended courses in a little university around the world and I did my comparisons. here in Italy I attended the two years in Padua and then in Trieste. when it was about adding mechanics to my electronics studies, I looked at myself from going back through those walls and chose to do it as a self-taught. if I define the Italian university environment as "stant" is certainly a generalization, but if we remove the normal pisa... becomes a little less generalized than it may appear.