how to learn and work with catia?!? !

[killerfly]

Hi.

the question of the title is provocative (which maybe is also ot but sincerely... I didn't know which section to post it.

premise: we all know that to know how to use well a sw it is important to work every day and not only do exercises, and not even do specialized courses (which help). Here, I would like to learn how to use caia and here comes the (only mine?) problem.

now I use proe, program used both by companies of the "mechanical advanced" sector (aerospace, naval, automotive, etc), and by companies of "normal mechanics"; I learned to use it because I work in one of them. now paradoxically, in Italy are just those of "normal mechanics" (often the smallest) the most prepared to "form from scratch" people; the others (often the biggest and with more possibilities) are more demanding and ask that you already know the sw.
as said with proe the problem is relative: being employed by both, the passage is more than possible.

but with cat?! it is used practically only in the most advanced sector (also because for others there exists solidworks:biggrin, which we have said to be the most demanding. moral: to learn you have to work, but to work you have to learn. . .

but then I ask myself the question of the title: how to learn and work with catia?! !

ps: the thing is also applicable to nx (which has solidedge for "mortals")
pps: I speak about the experiences I had. Maybe I had bad luck... .

 

[www.cad-3d.net]

Hello killerfly,

I saw no one answered you after weeks. . .

I'll write to you shortly.

of the noble

 

[killerfly]

Thank you, Professor.

Your help is the best I could hope for.

Thanks again!! :finger:

 

[www.cad-3d.net]

Hello killerfly,

I try to be exhaustive.

First of all the fact that you already know the powerful pro/e software (which became created after the acquisition of cocreate by ptc) puts you in a privileged position. I inform you that pro/e use it in many companies and also to the same ferrari where however they use massively also catia.
I recommend that you keep your prof/e knowledge up to date.

to learn also catia, avoiding to quote my manual for the reasons you will understand, I suggest texts in English that, strange, are not really excellent but of the rest in Italian there is really little.

the online guide of the dassault is not for beginners and, sometimes, even for those who are "unmarried" still represents a small commitment, especially in terms of time spent. for some caty environments v5 then the online guide is only in English.

the other software that cites is solidworks (always of dassault systemes) that is increasingly used and, if you do not know them, I recommend the dvds of prampolini: are well made tutorials; I took them myself and found them very useful.

I really want to suggest you learn English well because what is not found in Italian you will have to take it from abroad, often in the use that fortunately have a rather devalued currency.

I'm not just talking about catia and pro/e because you take into account that the universe does not end with these two software only though these two currently represent about 70% of the market.

keep an eye on catia v6 on which a version of my manual should come out (not soon though) because it is really "impressing".

I conclude by sending a greeting to you and all visitors of www.cad3d.it and in particular to the "contributors" of the site often very authoritative. thanks to them the limitations due to the absence of books and/or manuals in Italian are greatly reduced.

of the noble

 

[stef_design]

keep an eye on catia v6 on which a version of my manual should come out (not soon though) because it is really "impressing".

bye,
What about v6?
changes so much from cv5?
Hi:

 

[ericsan]

at the design level changes little or nothing, but while v5 is a stand alone sw, in practice install a cad knowing to install only a cad, v6 is considered a form of a plm system. the installs together with a database for meta-data and if you do not evolve the system, the thing ends there, if you feel that your system should expand with pdm modules, and-so-on simulation, then the cad that you have installed is really the basis of this evolution. Moreover the navigation and search between parts and assemblies and totally graphics and, having tried it, really fast and intuitive.
as you see it is literally a revolution! how useful to the average user you will see.

 

[www.cad-3d.net]

hi stef_design and ericsan,

Yes, it is correct, but I would not limit the v5 to a simple cad. also catia v5 and a plm of excellent level but the jump that you made with the v6 is really a "giant leap" to say it with the words of in the armstrong.

v6 is a data sharing platform. you can already imagine what jump there will be with the massive use of cloud computing.. .

In essence you can already work on the same project interactively and multiplely. more designers can work on the same project and chat (for now only chat but you will see that in short you will be able to do teleconference and videoconference) while making changes on the object during modeling.

the strong piece is, however, the availability of the database in which all the elements converge (can be many thousands) that afghan a project (imagine a car or an airplane). the platform is therefore "delocalized" i.e. it does not refer to only one workstation (it would be contradictory such a solution) but to the server or, better, to a cloud of servers.
when I worked in fiat avio we worked on the ge90 (the greatest turbofan ever made) and we worked, as well as with the Americans, even with the Japanese and the English: sharing a delocalized database managed by the main contractor is essential to shorten time and share the parts to design "in parallel" (but also those "in cascade").

I hope I wasn't too prolific.

Greeting to you!!


of the noble

 

[ericsan]

of the noble,
He's perfectly right. I didn't want to be too emphatic or v5 or v6 to avoid being accused of wanting to promote a product at the expense of another.
In reality, as he has explained, it is a Copernican revolution. finally the concept of collaboration has been realized fully but not only that. among other features, the ease with which starting from a set you get to review, model, update even the smallest part, and all with an incredibly intuitive 3d graphic interface, is already revolutionary. when then, identified the project / together / part interacts with the development team, in a real co-engineering (and not only via chat), here is that then the designer thinks he is in paradise.
Here, I knew, I was emphatic. but if I am provoked... ;-)

enrico

 

[www.cad-3d.net]

dear enrico,

you have many reasons to be "enphatic"! when we talk about these software, for us that we had matra, patran and nastran (progressors, I mean) what you can do now is really science fiction.

Greeting! ! !


of the noble

 

[immacolata]

Hello everyone!! !
I'm new to the forum...I'm learning how to use caia v5 with the help of the manual of the nobleman's inception...I feel that it is done very well as it turns out clear and linear in the explanations...and I highly recommend it to all those who want to learn caia, without knowing any design program.
Bye. Immaculate.

 

[xLOGANx]

I believe that the prof. of the noble has realized the only instrument currently existing to "try" to learn a monstrous software as a casket. I think I don't say anything absurd or obvious, but it doesn't take much to choose a plan, make us a sketch and make an extrusion.
the power of that manual lies in its goal: prof. teaches a method of work. In practice, it explains how to approach software, how to manage a project. For this reason, I would buy it again 10 times :biggrin:

Of course, only by seeing what care the information has been inserted you can have the idea of the preparation of those who wrote the manual.

I worked for more than two years in a company that was advising on three software: catia is the first, then pro/e and solidworks. and purtope, when at university they teach you to model with a "academic" version of solidedge...you understand that you have to put yourself and bang your head to understand how you work with customers. this was possible with solidworks that remains, for me, a powerful tool in hand to a mechanical engineer. I think things are slightly different. I do not hide that the rudiments of catia and pro/e I learned them alone applying what I discovered on swx. but to get to a good level it was necessary to buy the manual of the prof. useless to say that the prof. wrote one also on the pro/e and makes fear also that... as it was realized.
I admit that the second manual I bought it "for passion".... I like to model and draw. but for about 4 months I have been working with the pro/e and I can only do it because, by game, I studied the manual of the pro/e wf5 of the prof of the nobleman. Sure, here in the company I use wf2 but... many concepts are identical.

Good day to all. :finger:

 

[www.cad-3d.net]

I'm just saying wow! I really don't know what else to say because I'm overwhelmed by the satisfaction of seeing and "feeling" that my work lasted almost 10 years is served. to thank xloganx I tell an anecdote that very few know:

after writing the first edition of my manual I decided to take a look at the other manual just out and I went to the bookstore mondadori that in the center of Milan. the clerk was talking to a person and while he was talking, I was looking for this blessed manual to compare what I had done and what was in existence. I was curious to see the difference. I couldn't find anything and I decided to shake off the clerk asking if they had a copy of the clerk manual. the clerk told me with enthusiasm that a great manual had to come, that of the professor of the noble (who was me but he did not know!) and said it with emphasis because that gentleman with whom he was talking was the representative of a very well-known publishing house. the representative did not know how the meeting had gone between me, two leaders of the same publishing house, an ibm representative (who at that time was like saying dassault systemes) and two of the spacesystem of morazzone (va) that provided me the software on permission of dassault but I yes because I was there! the representative didn't know about the kind that made me do in front of those people that I had invited to ask to put an expiry version of the software with a dvd to attach to my manual.
while the salesman and the representative discovered that they were talking to the author I laughed inside me because they were already trying to sell a manual that I certainly no longer intended to give after the figure they had made me do.

a v5 cat dvd valid a month inside my manual... I still think about it because that would be the beginning I would have wanted for all those who wanted to learn how to use this software.

That's why I send to all those who ask me, in exchange for press charges, for sending and above all of a judgment my manual. a new way of publishing that aims first to satisfy the user and then... Who will look for me to make the book... He'll make the deal!

Thank you! Whoever you are!


of the noble

 

[xLOGANx]

Professor, I think you know me very well. :biggrin: maybe if you think about someone who has upset you for any "courses".

about my judgments... I was already expressed. now that I am working with both sw (more cautious than pro/e to be honest)...I realize that they were really helpful. :finger: