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Hello.

Forgive me for the abbreviation in the title, but the letters available were finished.

we come to the therefore. I've got a three-year degree in G.M. and I don't want to continue studying in a university classroom, so I'd like to start working. here comes the big problem, I can't leave, despite my efforts. I am ready to do all the necessary tire, to be subpaid, not to be paid but nothing... where are the exploiters? that difficult field that is this, I have a lot of friends graduates in jurisprudence that are really exploited with internships but at least learn something practical, and you make this blessed experience required in job offers. In our field, however, it seems that no one has time, and I can understand. . .

However, I have tried to answer the job offers that are on the net, i.e. those that pass through the interinal agencies, but no sign. that then how do these understand who to contact or not based on four data and four words thrown there on a cv not, also because they probably don't understand anything mechanical, but it's another speech... I understand that that method did not work for me, helped by the fact that the European Youth Guarantee program financed me a six-month internship, I sent emails to companies found on the internet. even in this case no answer.

then I started looking on the internet for technical studies that deal with design, and I got the phone in my hand. apart from the fact that finding them on the internet is not very easy, not all have a website, for one reason or another did not work (for example I came to feel denied the possibility after saying my geographical origin, that they only accepted boys of that region, but until that time was feasible).

So what do I do? of course I look for some technical study on the internet, stampo il cv, prepare the suitcase, travel for nine hours, and visit these studies. Here the situation gets a little more interesting. Unfortunately I visited only three-four, because although I was in that region for almost a week (including holidays), between the wrong buses, the out-of-hand areas, the times when I was lost, when I was demoralized for that, I could not do more.

the first place where I was put me hard, a lost area with a station six trains, only sheds and many vans. I couldn't find the studio, but I'm going through a company and I'm leaving the cv there. found the studio the centralist doesn't even pass me, saying that recruitment only happens via the internet... However the other company calls me back telling me that she was interested but I refused as she was too out of hand and since there was no ing. mechanical, electrical only (the company employs linear motors
for industrial applications), and therefore I have not seen a good chance of growth for me. I don't know if I hurt you guys.


the second studio still keeps me suspended (but I have the feeling that they will say no, in when one of the two associates was interested and the other seemed to be opposed) with the reason that training needs a programme to be drawn up.

the visit to the third and last studio was what I found most interesting. the owner tells me that they are looking for new staff, and that they have problem not to find them, since the neighboring university does not send anyone because it prefers larger and more famous companies. Then he talks to me about the interviews he's doing, complaining about the fact that the boys sent by the interinal agencies are very unprepared, as they don't even know how to draw something simple with simple quotas without tolerances. As for me, since I had asked for an internship, he tells me that he has more than any other "temporal" resources to invest (including preparing the program and evaluating if there is someone who can follow me), but what basic would be interested, considering also his personal research. He gives me a business card and tells me to call him back after a week. I did, but after a couple of phone calls from another week, it gives me a negative answer. The reasons are the ones I mentioned, and in fact it is the impression that I had. But now, back, I'm starting to think that if I had any extra shortness I would have motivated him a little more to find time for me. I'm going to dance with your advice.

I am wondering if it is better to attach to the cv some work done by me with a cad 3d, and perhaps the design of all the details of which a set is composed.

Moreover, if it is the case of preparing an indicative program of what I want to do during the internship.



I hope in many answers.
 
Good morning.
take my advice with the springs, because being based on my personal experience and not being graduated, it may not do to your case.
Moreover, not being a holder of a company or a firm, I might also be wrong.
That said:
1) regarding the cv and what to attach, for what I have told myself active people in the search for staff, to stretch too much in the list of projects and experiences made becomes, sometimes, counterproductive. a selector passes no more than 1 min-30 seconds on a cv and there must be few elements, qualifying, suitable for that job offer, which hit it. then 1 page, clear written, simple with some clearly visible key points. then, the covering letter that is always a little "needed". that indicates the "vow" to have that place. It must make a place "desirable".
2) it would be better, however, first, to accumulate some experience, but, if you can't find anything and if you are ready to go abroad, try . it is always, however, a help to grow, even only humanly. and, for what I saw, recruiters, abroad, are much more prepared and, generally, respond. just a cv in English and a search on the internet. It is not that abroad it is all roses and flowers, but in short, there is less chance to meet "fregatures". if you look for something in the aerospace france, land, canada, use. in the automotive germania, france, land, spanish, uses. always that you do not want to stay in Italy. In this case there are a lot of arguments about it, I think. that, in the end they advised a little to do what you did, that is to call one by one and "stress" until you find something.
I hope, in any case, your research will end in a positive way.
 
Thank you for the answer!

Actually my cv is one page, even because having no work experience I find stupid writing multiple pages.

any attachments I would take them with me and show them in case there was interest from the company owner.

Unfortunately I cannot go out of Italy.

Thank you for your best wishes!


p.s. just called me for an interview, but this time it's a company that has its headquarters in a pretty lost place. they call me because they obviously don't find anyone willing to go there ahahh... or maybe I'm doing the trick!
 
Hi.
the future for designers does not exist
Now with the sw 3d everything is flattened
even more the satisfaction of a decent table
"for missing quoti reference is made to the mathematical model" :cool:
exists the figure of the "creative designer"
to propose new forms and geometries
of what already exists
that means:
you design flats-bicchieri-lampade and lampposts-carrozzerie di auto air packs of cigarettes containers
crushers-flaconi and bottles for perfumed essences- toys etc.
and propose it through the web
it seems na
but it is not
go abroad seems? ? ?
It seems that it is easy for fearers or young risk lovers
in reality only those who have someone behind their backs or something that maintains it economically
for a relatively short period can afford
Thank you very much
 
an enterprise that begins with a cabbage as
have a problem not to find it, since the nearby university does not send anyone since it prefers larger and more famous companies. Then he talks to me about the talks he's doing, complaining about the fact that the boys sent by the interinal agencies are very unprepared
must be a buffoon size astrali, better lose him than find him.

I don't know what to say anymore. the work in Italy is very little, those who have a few orders are struggling to make it enough to pay the employees, let alone if the staff increases. if they have a peak of work they take for very limited periods (1 month or 2), per game iva, paying a misery.

opportunities for learning and professional growth are very few. therefore there is only to hope to enter one of the few Italian companies of excellence, but with the pay you do not survive. or I don't know where you can go banging with your head.

until 2, 3 years ago I suggested to emigrate, but now also abroad begin to be saturated, and are closing the doors.
 
you see and feel the same things for five years now.
for how the world of work is structured you will struggle more because woman (no one remembers to be born of a woman....).
search everywhere and not give up. use linkedin, infojobs, send cv, phone. Sure that if you have no experience it becomes more difficult and in something you have to excel to be spendable.
 
Hello, everyone.
I say mine.

- write a cover letter with the countercaxxi: even if you're just a student and you have no work experience, somehow try to get the message that you're willing to make in 4 the devil to start working.
you're making out "enthusiasm" e "want to do" trust me you're already in good shape.
a serious company usually doesn't value what you can do, but if you're the right person for that particular position.
psychological aspect, desire, determination are priority. . ..especially if it's about graduates.

- unless you are a graduate with the maximum of votes and in the shortest possible time, if you are at the first experience, the cv does not serve a bat: a page is more than enough. voting speech is not so much to show that you are good but is considered an indicator on your "learning capacity": a person who graduates with good grades in no time is seen much better than a person who graduates with 110 and praises but in 2/3 years extra.

Good idea to attach some extra work you did. often large multinationals explicitly ask whether you have been involved in important projects or important training activities

- if they ask you the question of the type:
"Will you make the transfer? "
you always answer and never hesitate:
"Of course, I'm ready to go on mars to work!"
focused on getting the job first, for the organizational/logistic part there is always time to think about it calmly.
you first take home the job, then make your evaluations think about it later.

p.s: sorry for the question, but why don't you want to continue studying and taking the specialist?
all the people I know and who stopped at the three-year period regretted not having "completed" the path.
eye that even the picture is different between a graduate level and one level.
also there are companies that even specify: "graduated engineering old sorting or level"
 
Bye!

First of all compliments for the tenacity you try with: I assure you that it is not from all!
if I can allow myself: refuse for logistic issues can be there (everyone has its problems).
but, with reference to one of your contacts, do not let yourself be misled by the fact that there were only electrical engineers: you know how much mechanics there is in That's all.? and if you are in the first weapons you only have to learn! :finger:

good search and good luck!!!
 
the fact of turning studio by studio reminds me of my first job.........
I had made photocopies from yellow pages, I had highlighted them and then I went around in my city and in my region, popping one by one.
took me such that it made fire systems, low and high level, I started so, and I had the briefcase (plastic because a skin pussy couldn't afford it) full of cv, all of a page, 2 counting the letter.
it was 1988...... that you remember, that nostalgia, that sadness to hear again such a thing:(
 
thank you all for the answer!
threshing I am very reassuring, thank you, er ;) and the history of the mathematical model to which the missing quotas refer I miss!
gil I am quite naive, but I do not feel that I give so many judgments rushed on a person I do not know, in the end it was not he who had to convince me but the opposite;)
Mechanical not to give up is not so easy, and to look everywhere is an operation that you also take a lot of money;)
pirurg the letter full of enthusiasm I have already sent it several times, so much so that now I no longer have the enthusiasm to write all those words in order to sell me and to look ridiculous... the desire and determination is there, but maybe I miss more. and say I don't even ask for money... .
I have to consider the lease first, because if they call me for an interview in a lost Lombardy campaign I leave 200€, and it seems so to me for something that I will not accept in case, also because I am unemployed. the specialist I don't want to pursue it because the three-year-old I have achieved it very late because of a psychological blockade on an exam, I lacked a few exams after three years but then I don't know what happened... I don't want to take the risk of stopping when I'm almost at the end, and then I don't want to further delay the entry into the world of work for two more years, at the best of hypotheses. I don't want to have in two years the same problems I have today, I want to work. I might be able to update myself while I work, study alone what might be useful to me... It's different. I know that telling a employer of my block would be very counterproductive if he asked me why I took so long to graduate. for me it will be very hard, because step or for scema/poco flow for mechanics or per person who demoralizes immediately and therefore unreliable, and then as they have already said are woman, and therefore to "pregnancy risk" and at risk hormonal decombustion of other employees, if not prevented as a woman. Well, sometimes I want to hang myself, not yet. I must be "strong";)
tartufon80 I assure you that the demoralizing moments are there, but I take a little break and then I start again. I know that so much meccanica there is a little everywhere, especially in electric motors, which I consider very interesting. What has blocked me was the union of the two things, but above all the fact that I am in a very industrial area that I do not think I should attend daily without a car. then in these days I received the proposal to work for the design of reflective bars... I don't think there's a lot of interesting in a cat-refractive bar for tir, and at university we haven't touched the subject even remotely. Sometimes I don't know what to do, I remain a little dismayed, I don't know if anything could be a good road or a road that only makes me waste time (and dangerous in the literal sense;) without giving me any added value.
number1 1988, when I was born, and under the sign of the lion. I must find the strength of the lioness that is in me, I feel (or feel) strong, but the events have given me a lot of uncertainty and removed that force that made me so believe in me and in my abilities. I have to do it, I have no alternative, and I don't want to have alternatives.


I used you today as a vent valve;)


p.s. for knowledge an electronic engineer would be willing to make me do the internship in his studio, working with the certifications iso 9000. What do you think? I'm afraid not to start in the field where I want to take me off the road all my life. If you hadn't understood, the field where I would like to work is mechanical design.


p.p.s. If you would like to suggest in private names of technical studies to "stress" I do not offend;) I guarantee the anonymity! :biggrin: but also oh if someone wants a trainee to exploit :rolleyes: (to be read without malice! )
 
Well, starting in a field other than what you like in the meantime makes you start. I would accept and continue looking, since you have nothing else at stake. but it is not said that it is the right thing to do.

This is not clear to me: "...I don't think there's much of interest in a cat-refractive bar for tir, and at university we haven't touched the subject even remotely."
If they make you photocopies, you're right. If they give you an eye to the production process, it will not be the design you want to do but it is still another interesting field and relevant to your degree.
if you didn't understand: do you have anything else to put on the balance plate? Then go! :finger:
 
I feel like giving you a different advice, not even bringing the cv, calling, getting the interview and talking to the person!
the cv is always and still too impersonal.

If you are obliged to send a cv, please, I tell you to select, do not put "collaborator at the parish of the country" or "educator summer center", are totally useless things, as a child, not as an adult person.
 
“They have a problem not to find it, as the neighboring university does not send anyone .... complaining that the boys sent by the interinal agencies are very unprepared.”
of people who repeat this sulfa, I have known so much. phrases made that are spreading more than summer torment song. in the cases that I have been able to learn, the truth behind is quite different.
 
... 1988... when I was born, and under the lion sign. I must find the strength of the lioness that is in me, I feel (or feel) strong, but the events have given me a lot of uncertainty and removed that force that made me so believe in me and in my abilities. I have to do it, I have no alternative, and I don't want to have alternatives.


I used you today as a vent valve;)
we are almost peers

I'm also under the lion's sign. you will see that the satisfactions will come!:finger:

p.s: look at the money for interviews is never thrown.
If you can help and comfort I can tell you that, even if you see on my profile "Roman exile", I also wandered a little.
born and raised in calabria, parentheses in torino immediately after graduation (of course "aggratis") of six months, then bologna, now moderate. who knows me here in the forum can even confirm that in the last days, only for a few hours though, I was hired in the cina. :wink:

the future? Who knows?
 
I have to consider the lease first, because if they call me for an interview in a lost Lombardy campaign I leave 200€, and it seems so to me for something that I will not accept in case, also because I am unemployed.
? ? ?
What reasoning is this?
do you hope that the best metal companies are in the middle of big cities?
or do you want to work in a technical office without a workshop?
the real experience you don't do it by consuming the chair, but listening to cast iron beasts in the workshop!

on 200€ to reach the place of the interview... I'm sorry, my baby, but if you don't interview, you don't find a job if you don't find a job, you don't have to go back to 200€, so...
Maybe you won't like it, but it takes money to make money!
 
....the real experience you don't make it by consuming the chair, but listening to pigeons in the workshop!. . .
What a beautiful one!


about the rest, I think it like you, but in the past it happened to me too that I could not move a few hundred miles for lack of money. You don't know what arose!!! It takes a little cube!
 
a suggestion to "optimize" costs could be to do at least the cognitive encounters via skype.
 
@anna paola

By reading this topic, I felt like I was "revenge" in the mirror. .
I have three-year degree in industrial ing (aerospace), finished in 2014 and did the same same things in search of a "best" job of what I have done in the past. .
often in life things happen that you would never have thought to imagine, to lose family, to find work because you can not keep expenses for studies, to live rent with salary from 600 euros of waiter. . .
In the end, when you get a degree, which for many can be a piece of paper, after so many sacrifices, becomes a redemption symbol for those who like me were born without anything... in the true sense of the word!

made this premise without commiseration, I always looked for work as active as you, starting from the interinal agencies coming to the company talks. .
I do not understand well what role you seek, I have focused a lot on the design sector, I learned a cad to use, probably it is not enough to know how to use well one, probably starting with the experience of a university internship not enough to fail to enter the technical offices, but I did all possible interviews also in those companies lost in places forgotten by god...
I believe that the regions of the north are more advantageous in this, having many companies give chances to new graduates to come into contact with the company, of course the judicials are more ' advantageous, but for those seeking in the field of mechanical design for example I have been able to interview for figures to form (junior).
you form the first six months as an intern, but their interest is to hire you, you are a resource to invest, so they ask you if you are willing to take a path that keeps you in the company for years and years.
in the case of design for example, I also had proposals to make molds "for the whole life"; apart from this, I feel good opportunities to get in touch with the business and technical world, to hand over what you have studied especially if you are ing.mechanical.
often to be able to evaluate all the proposals and not to do the "difficile", I went also in companies where only with the car you could have arrived and I not being automunito obviously I went "pedibus calcantibus"!
in the rain, with an umbrella destroyed by the wind, arrival fradicio in jacket and tie, but I can say that that that day I was there and I always met friendly and kind staff, who made me see the company, who made me know employees and especially in medium small family-run companies, they invited me to lunch with them as "recognized form" for those like me had come from afar. . .
I have also adhered to the young guarantee, but for the 28 years it is not worth much for job search, for personal experience the companies do not know also what is guarantee young people
to put our heart in peace, I'm trying to enable myself as an ing.junior even if for little work purposes matters, but it can help for future opportunities.
I'm not one of those who fits on his paper title, but I think for a young ing. starting in companies also doing underpaid work, allows you to gain experience in the mechanical sector. .in the case of design come in contact with the technical standards that you have studied on books, you take responsibility, you have deadlines, come in contact with the production, follow the project until its completion...(that are companies in the packaging, biomedical, electrical or mechanical...for example in one of the last companies in which I had opportunity to interview was manufacturer of labeling machines for bottles nationally).
even if you don't ring the phone, even if you don't get answer from companies or technical studies where you so much hoped, don't demoralize that those moments I know them well, in my case in the meantime I look for functional work at my study address,
I have resumed doing the waiter and since my project is to find work out of town, to experience and make myself independent, I am not ashamed if I do jobs like these that have nothing to do with my title of studies... because if I need to be able to earn something especially during the summer season, I prefer to work that I am without doing anything at home. .
And when we're through that famous interview for a job that cost us so many years of sacrifice, I'll invite you toast together!
a hug
 
Thank you very much for the answers, in a few days I will answer each one of you who at the moment have more urgent questions to be resolved:/

Greeting!
 

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