i think 3.0

[Parametric_Ozzy]

It's a problem with the former cocreates, now ptc. Once I had seen what it was for to cocreate to do (male) the same things I did with my solid edge of 3000 euros: I went to spend on 20,000 for a post.

Hunting doesn't seem to me that siemens or other swhouses give you things.
do you mean if you have to pee a little serious you put us less with your basic solidedge of 3000 euros that instead buy you a xpresroute of solidedge rather than the mechanical routed system of nx?
I do not doubt that you can do it even without module, as you can do it in creo or other sw, only that it is probably lightly more expensive and if you do some piping every now and then you probably don't want to, but if you do often I think that the investment will save you a lot of time because they are vertical modules developed specifically for that field of use.

 

[Exatem]

Well if you clearly value it only from this point of view (schizzo 3d and elementary piping module), it is not expensive but expensive.
Indeed, however, the piping module that cites is absolutely not to be considered such (if you talk about 3d pipe).
what you do with the actual module is instead 10 times higher, welded pipes, bent, guided or not specific, possibility to connect dynamically to the p&id, etc. you also enable (I know you don't care) all the part of cabling.
So trust them all and indeed it is one of the few ptc modules I consider cheap, you should see it at work and I'm sure you'd change your mind. ;-)

ok, however in my case I should have added to the renewal and updating account of the license, another 4000€ for a module that, will be indisputably powerful, but for my needs certainly oversized. to which assistance/update costs must be added.
in full "spending review" risk the firing squad... I have more hopes of buying an armored maserati.

 

[cacciatorino]

Hunting doesn't seem to me that siemens or other swhouses give you things.
do you mean if you have to pee a little serious you put us less with your basic solidedge of 3000 euros that instead buy you a xpresroute of solidedge rather than the mechanical routed system of nx?
I do not doubt that you can do it even without module, as you can do it in creo or other sw, only that it is probably lightly more expensive and if you do some piping every now and then you probably don't want to, but if you do often I think that the investment will save you a lot of time because they are vertical modules developed specifically for that field of use.

I didn't talk about piping, I was reporting an experience of comparison between solid edge and cocreate-ptc. with cocreate needed an additional module for practically anything, to put a bond between two surfaces to pull out a bom, etc etc....

 

[The_Matrix]

I have news of corridor:
it seems to be able to realize assembly with native files of other cads maintaining the association and opening the side files (always of other cad) return the model tree in creo. But I'm waiting for confirmation.

I confirm that I create 3.0 opens the files of other cads (at least catia v5) and you have them parametric.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I didn't talk about piping, I was reporting an experience of comparison between solid edge and cocreate-ptc. with cocreate needed an additional module for practically anything, to put a bond between two surfaces to pull out a bom, etc etc....

ah ok well that yes, like the sheet or other modules that you mention, all extra.... disaster!! !

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

ok, however in my case I should have added to the renewal and updating account of the license, another 4000€ for a module that, will be indisputably powerful, but for my needs certainly oversized. to which assistance/update costs must be added.
in full "spending review" risk the firing squad... I have more hopes of buying an armored maserati.

I understand exa perfectly, your reasoning is very correct and if you already have to do the war to make you renew only creo, let alone create + piping... you just have to hope to integrate at least in the base at least the 3d sketch, but I doubt it strongly, otherwise they would have already done it for different time, typical commercial strategies ...

 

[Exatem]

I just received the invitation email to the "ptc creo 3.0 roadshow 2014 official Italian launch". presentation is scheduled in a series of events from June to September.

these news
• new features for "freestyle" modeling, to create and manage freeform geometries in a parametric way
• improvements in modeling functions, which now include: creation of rope fittings, clearing of freeform geometries, un-trim of surfaces, more effective functionality for modeling of sheet metal models and pattern definition and much more
• the strengthening of analysis and verification tools, including the analysis of the moulds with 3d control on the thickness of the models to be printed
• improving performance and graphic quality, with the availability of rendering functions for the realization of images in hd
• update of references editing functionality, with user interface restyling
• the addition of the design exploration extension module (dex), a set of features designed to enable exploration of design variants and alternatives in a simple way within ptc creo parametric
• libraries including "out of the box" of mechanical minuteries, containing all types of bolts, washers and screws available for joint design

will it be necessary to wait until October?

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I just received the invitation email to the "ptc creo 3.0 roadshow 2014 official Italian launch". presentation is scheduled in a series of events from June to September.

these news
• new features for "freestyle" modeling, to create and manage freeform geometries in a parametric way
• improvements in modeling functions, which now include: creation of rope fittings, clearing of freeform geometries, un-trim of surfaces, more effective functionality for modeling of sheet metal models and pattern definition and much more
• the strengthening of analysis and verification tools, including the analysis of the moulds with 3d control on the thickness of the models to be printed
• improving performance and graphic quality, with the availability of rendering functions for the realization of images in hd
• update of references editing functionality, with user interface restyling
• the addition of the design exploration extension module (dex), a set of features designed to enable exploration of design variants and alternatives in a simple way within ptc creo parametric
• libraries including "out of the box" of mechanical minuteries, containing all types of bolts, washers and screws available for joint design

will it be necessary to wait until October?

in practice everything I have listed you...
Why end of October?

 

[Exatem]

in practice everything I have listed you...
Why end of October?

I thought if the presentations go from June to September, the exit was at the end of the same.
One day is worth the other, as long as it's before my assistance expires :smile:

 

[calacc]

- in the management area changes: new functionality called design exploration, which will allow to create "chekpoints" of design, in practice it is an advanced model tree that manages the changes in a single file to evaluate the variants of the development, without having to resort to save by name and recover at any time a state of a certain modification, so in practice it allows simultaneous development of multiple design variants from a single file.

this undoubtedly is the most interesting part for me. saving by name is always a waste of time and seems trivial, but you must always remember to do them.
therefore these chek-points that I decide to create at the opportune moment would survive even after a purgeI guess. avoiding copy save, so you avoid creating new files by saving disk space.

 

[tecnico_plast]

hi ozzy, it's always a pleasure to read you.

a couple of questions:

- in the management area changes: new functionality called design exploration, which will allow to create "chekpoints" of design, in practice it is an advanced model tree that manages the changes in a single file to evaluate the variants of the development, without having to resort to save by name and recover at any time a state of a certain modification, so in practice it allows simultaneous development of multiple design variants from a single file.

how do you marry this function with pdmlink? I imagine things remain independent. . .

-for those who make moulds, finally the possibility to check the walls thicknesses with remarkable graphic improvement for analysis

is the specific module necessary or will it be an integrated function in the base version?

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

hello technical and thank you is definitely for me too. :smile:

how do you marry this function with pdmlink? I imagine things remain independent. . .

from what I understand, it can also be dependent on pdmlink, in the sense that you can create parallel arms in the crack sessions, once you decide which checkpoint will be realized you can integrate in the release phase in pdmlink, without obviously losing the other checkpoints created in the object.

is the specific module necessary or will it be an integrated function in the base version?

basic version in the current analysis tab.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I thought if the presentations go from June to September, the exit was at the end of the same.
One day is worth the other, as long as it is before my assistance expires

The two things don't go well... but I don't know how to tell you if they can respect the date, but I'm confident.

this undoubtedly is the most interesting part for me. saving by name is always a waste of time and seems trivial, but you must always remember to do them.
So these chek-points I decide to create at the appropriate time would survive even after a purge, I imagine. avoiding copy save, so you avoid creating new files by saving disk space.

it is a very interesting function this, despite with creo you can work with more versions of the same prt, still remains complicated the phase of investigation and above all the reason for a certain variant or design choice, with this "explorer" you will surely understand better all the development that led to the decision of the variant x and will allow not miss variants discarded in the past that can be reused in the future without overlapping names

 

[The_Matrix]

Hunting doesn't seem to me that siemens or other swhouses give you things.
do you mean if you have to pee a little serious you put us less with your basic solidedge of 3000 euros that instead buy you a xpresroute of solidedge rather than the mechanical routed system of nx?
I do not doubt that you can do it even without module, as you can do it in creo or other sw, only that it is probably lightly more expensive and if you do some piping every now and then you probably don't want to, but if you do often I think that the investment will save you a lot of time because they are vertical modules developed specifically for that field of use.

No, actually we're not an onlus.
However I quote you 100%: do pipes does not mean to put a 3d spline or a 3d sketch and dress it with a round or square tube.
... there are things like:
- link between mechanical routing and p&id
- design rules
- various calculations
- smart placement bookcases
- pipe rigid and flexible
... etc.
that are fundamental. . .
then, as we love our customers, we inserted the "routing base" in the mach2 version.
the "base" versions of routing are only good for the part of "on board" piping to the machine

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

.
the "base" versions of routing are only good for the part of "on board" piping to the machine

this is a good thing, a little like the "lite" modules of ptc, could integrate it also for the piping part, at least for the 3d sketch functionality as rightly remembered the good exatem.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Dear friends, http://learningexchange.ptc.com you can find many videos related to the main novelties of creo parametric 3.0 mentioned and in Italian.
Good vision!

 

[tecnico_plast]

Thanks :finger:

 

[Exatem]

He's here. .

 

[nicksoft]

oppala. . .
I started downloading too. even if I go halfway through your speed... but this is another speech!

 

[tecnico_plast]

He's here. .

So they bought you?