imos-cad : qualcuno uses it?

[pescerosso]

Hello everyone
I wanted to know if someone uses imos-cad, it is an application for autocad for furniture design.
I would like to buy it for my job, but since it costs a disproportionate amount, I would like to know the impressions of those who already own it. Of course the seller says he does ghostly things. . .

a greeting and thanks
Mar

 

[vmirko]

I've seen him many times at the fairs,
looks like a great product and if you make only furniture could be a good solution.

maybe a little under but that should do more or less the same things
There's leonardo project.

I'm looking for the link and I'm putting it on you.

 

[pescerosso]

looking on google I found the site of leonardo project
the description is very scarce, but from what I understand it is a software for the only design of furniture.
imos, besides the design on autocad basis, generates all programs for the numerical control machine. A good time saving.
I tried similar software, space3d, but I had to give up too many bugs and incompatibility with my machine.

 

[vmirko]

also leonardo can be integrated with the cam and with an optimizer for the sawing machine.

 

[tarlino]

I also have space3d not use it and I am evaluating imos. It really costs so much and some references say it's Moroccan. leonardo project seems worse than space3d and I don't want to make another mistake like that. What bothers me about imos is that they believe the best and make you pay. and possible know what offer was made to you?

 

[maxopus]

verified ... sell smoke, is one of the many products born around the world of autocad.
Today we are still taking courses for mechanics, with European funds, with autocad. for 20 years there are much more powerful programs, stable and suitable for these things.
I prefer 1000 times a well made parametric cad, in which you do a little personalization to go much better.

 

[marcof]

Today we are still taking courses for mechanics, with European funds, with autocad. for 20 years there are much more powerful programs, stable and suitable for these things.

but you want to put the satisfaction of learning how to do the programmer (besides your everyday job) to personalize acad with lisp shots to make it usable? :tongue:

I prefer 1000 times a well made parametric cad, in which you do a little personalization to go much better.

compared to acad you would be much better even with a parametric cad hurt...

Hi.

 

[silurot]

Hello everyone
I wanted to know if someone uses imos-cad, it is an application for autocad for furniture design.
I would like to buy it for my job, but since it costs a disproportionate amount, I would like to know the impressions of those who already own it. Of course the seller says he does ghostly things. . .

a greeting and thanks
Mar

Hi, my name is Marco, too:
I use it and I can tell you it's a great program. Obviously as all the complicated things you have to struggle (and not little) at the beginning, nothing comes free from the window. but this also depends on your knowledge and experiences: I am not carpenter and I did not draw furniture with any program, I started with imos and obviously the road was very steep.
What's your car?

 

[iva20%]

Hello everyone
I use imos for many years and I assure you that it maintains all promises, certainly it costs a lot but it is worth every euro spent obviously if in combination with a numerical control center, around there is nothing comparable also it will seem Moroccan only at the beginning but with daily application in a short time you get a discreet execution speed.

 

[Hollywood]

hello to everyone, I have been using imos for several years and these are my impressions about it:
- part cad: with the cad version you can better manage the autocad commands (as all available) and then draw on a sheet of imos. with the design version you have a non complete cad motor and that lacks some commands. I know that version 9 (available in January) implements these commands but, in fact, it is necessary to develop first the design on a separate dwg.....what we can define natural but that I, by cataloguing, do not bear. apart from this imos badly bears that you draw too much on a commit (or better on the dwg already saved in imos) and, in fact, many times you create errors that generate crash.
- modeling: it is a valid tool but which is very sensitive to curved elements. if you use chickens with too many points then the pieces are broken and the command to melt does not work. then to make the curved bench of a bar you should calculate the development and insert a panel separately. the surfaces are handled badly as if you have the need to "follow the veins" of the wood there are no tools able to manage them all the way. manages the fronts but if you have to run sideways and facade you can't....so here hand operations. There is no possibility of creating curved elements in the plant...(but maybe here only understands who already uses it. )
- Cam, say he does everything, he seems like a mess. even if machine parameters are set (see work plan size, axes etc) he pieces always make them and cmq. If you have a 266 x 88 floor car but you have a 3 meters high side, he doesn't split the programs and put them as they are....he doesn't care if that piece isn't....and this is the best part since breaking a curved element is anything else.
programs are not always optimized for point movements and change....without considering that to do discount programs etc etc. you must always consider on what materials you do, on the tip you have, on the past, on the exits etc....insomma... the thing works but after a luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Finally there are sectioning lists, articles and labels, all things requiring refinement and that are useless if not done correctly.

I still need to know who imos is or not. I only make custom-made furnishings (never 2 pcs equal in one year) and I have to say I blasphemy quite as little elastic as program. the usefulness to the cam there is....good or bad both has always a track of the programs but it is also true that hinges, guides and various cabbages are always set... so if one changes hardware every time it loses a lot of time only to set the junction sets. we say that in this imos it seems made for things in series... .

I close by talking about assistance and updates: the annual assistance costs but makes available to the technicians 5 days out of 7 (which are contactable via skype or other systems) and the updates that the house produces every year. if I have to be honest, in 4 years, it has been improved but still remain absurd flaws...(see edges on multipart pz etc etc) that will surely be sewed.

are available for any curiosity. ...

 

[pescerosso]

thank you all for the answers and apologize for the delay

I see that opinions on this software are conflicting
I want to know more...
above all I would like to know some alternative software, of course on the same level
I saw the site of 3cad and it seems interesting, but of course they don't say much

What bothers me about imos is that they believe the best and make you pay. and possible know what offer was made to you?

I had the impression that they were doing me a favor in selling me their infallible program to the small amount of 30000 € (yes, you read well, the zeros are four... )

What's your car?

I have an old rover 22 of the biesse, whose greater probrema is the software: the notorious nc500, developed by the same biesse before biesseworks. as soon as you open it you are catapulted in the mid 80s; I tell you only that the files can be only in the dos format (8+3), while being a program for windows... and the machine of 2000 !!!

 

[Hollywood]

I, if I were you and if I decided to buy it, would inform me that imos actually handle your kind of control. they are very good as technicians....they do everything you want...but now you're talking about a car with pre-war management I get some fear.

I don't want to do your business, but what kind of production do you have? serial? customized? that, in my opinion, is the difference + great. don't get used to making you see in their designs: If you want to get a result like that you have to spend hours on imos......

 

[pescerosso]

I, if I were you and if I decided to buy it, would inform me that imos actually handle your kind of control. they are very good as technicians....they do everything you want...but now you're talking about a car with pre-war management I get some fear.

I don't want to do your business, but what kind of production do you have? serial? customized? that, in my opinion, is the difference + great. don't get used to making you see in their designs: If you want to get a result like that you have to spend hours on imos......

in fact imos with my control fails to "go into the car" directly, there is a need for a further conversion to be done manually (it is a little difficult to explain). and I don't like it very much
Another problem with my machine is that if I want to use the barcode reader (and of course I want to use it) at the bottom of each code two digits must be added, type 1 and 1, which are to indicate the quantity and description (both they must be drunk that day).
the problem is solved, but not in half an hour (including coffee break) as each programmer can assume, but in two days.. .
things are two: or their technicians are not so good, or are not telling me the truth
and I don't like it at all

my production is tailor made, but the types of furniture are more or less always those. in a closet or in a kitchen there are almost never "strange" pieces, usually change only sizes. Sometimes it happens you have special silhouettes, but they are almost always plans or terminals.

In fact, the photo rendering is of little interest to me, I look for a quick way to make the customer understand how his furniture will come. the important thing is to show the materials and colors, the photos we make to work delivered

I'll try not to have it.

Hi.
Mar

 

[silurot]

hello to everyone, I have been using imos for several years and these are my impressions about it:
- part cad: with the cad version you can better manage the autocad commands (as all available) and then draw on a sheet of imos. with the design version you have a non complete cad motor and that lacks some commands. I know that version 9 (available in January) implements these commands but, in fact, it is necessary to develop first the design on a separate dwg.....what we can define natural but that I, by cataloguing, do not bear. apart from this imos badly bears that you draw too much on a commit (or better on the dwg already saved in imos) and, in fact, many times you create errors that generate crash.
- modeling: it is a valid tool but which is very sensitive to curved elements. if you use chickens with too many points then the pieces are broken and the command to melt does not work. then to make the curved bench of a bar you should calculate the development and insert a panel separately. the surfaces are handled badly as if you have the need to "follow the veins" of the wood there are no tools able to manage them all the way. manages the fronts but if you have to run sideways and facade you can't....so here hand operations. There is no possibility of creating curved elements in the plant...(but maybe here only understands who already uses it. )
- Cam, say he does everything, he seems like a mess. even if machine parameters are set (see work plan size, axes etc) he pieces always make them and cmq. If you have a 266 x 88 floor car but you have a 3 meters high side, he doesn't split the programs and put them as they are....he doesn't care if that piece isn't....and this is the best part since breaking a curved element is anything else.
programs are not always optimized for point movements and change....without considering that to do discount programs etc etc. you must always consider on what materials you do, on the tip you have, on the past, on the exits etc....insomma... the thing works but after a luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Finally there are sectioning lists, articles and labels, all things requiring refinement and that are useless if not done correctly.

I still need to know who imos is or not. I only make custom-made furnishings (never 2 pcs equal in one year) and I have to say I blasphemy quite as little elastic as program. the usefulness to the cam there is....good or bad both has always a track of the programs but it is also true that hinges, guides and various cabbages are always set... so if one changes hardware every time it loses a lot of time only to set the junction sets. we say that in this imos it seems made for things in series... .

I close by talking about assistance and updates: the annual assistance costs but makes available to the technicians 5 days out of 7 (which are contactable via skype or other systems) and the updates that the house produces every year. if I have to be honest, in 4 years, it has been improved but still remain absurd flaws...(see edges on multipart pz etc etc) that will surely be sewed.

are available for any curiosity. ...

Hello, Hollywood. I am not as technical as you and certain works (curve in plant or break curvy pieces) have not yet happened to me.

I have drawn a lot of speeches and I still say so, but in my opinion it is a normal thing given the complexity of work and the programme. I do not know other comparable software and therefore I cannot criticize imos on faults, complexity or defects that can have (and defects have imos, but the good is that with some tricks you can solve them). Surely it will not be perfect, but perfection I still have to find it in anything. someone claims does not exist.. .
but criticize the fact that if you add new hardware you have to set the data.. Well then maybe we confuse perfection with magic

I only make custom-made furniture and I find it unsuitable for this kind of work. If I did only standard pieces I would have continued to use cn software.

 

[Hollywood]

my criticism is not that imos do not understand alone that hardware put as to the fact that if you use it ironically particular and that they require + processing, orient them correctly and make sure that they work without creating problems on the working center is not really a cable. It is clear that it depends on what type of hardware one uses but me, that for work use 4 catalogs (wurth, hettich, hafele, schackermaier) I have not always ready what I want. already the catalog hettich is loaded "half"...if you don't even have a similar hardware from which to start I just want to see how much you put it in. An example? processing for a door (cold on the thickness, holes that can not be passed etc.)....correscable with internal, external, modular....insomma... if we work in the field you know.

Moreover, if you do not mean furniture all different to size but of the same shape but we mean furniture with scans, stands, empty corners etc etc. you know how difficult it is to manage some work in the subzones, manage the reentries and various things. who knows why but I, in a year, feel like saying so many times to them that "this is better if you do it divided because in a single solution you can't" or "imos doesn't handle that...this."

Perhaps the best thing would be to compare the types of production. ..only so we would really have a certain figure on which to reason!

 

[tarlino]

I had the impression that they were doing me a favor in selling me their infallible program to the small amount of 30000 € (yes, you read well, the zeros are four... )


They asked the same amount to me, too. I don't understand why they insist on giving me version 8 plus the course when it has to go out on January 9th. in germany the 9 and already in use from August.

 

[Hollywood]

simple: they still have to translate it. However, if you do a service contract, the upgrade is released at no additional cost. vice versa, if you don't care but you need to start with imos, get the free update to contract.

p.s. I don't even feel them every day and I have regular support contract I have 9!

 

[silurot]

simple: they still have to translate it. However, if you do a service contract, the upgrade is released at no additional cost. vice versa, if you don't care but you need to start with imos, get the free update to contract.

p.s. I don't even feel them every day and I have regular support contract I have 9!

must still translate and above all test the 9!!! and I strongly recommend the 8, better not be in a hurry of new versions, especially if you do not know the program!!!
so much does not change much and upgrades are free if you have the assistance contract (in my opinion indispensable)

my criticism is not that imos do not understand alone that hardware put as to the fact that if you use it ironically particular and that they require + processing, orient them correctly and make sure that they work without creating problems on the working center is not really a cable. It is clear that it depends on what type of hardware one uses but me, that for work use 4 catalogs (wurth, hettich, hafele, schackermaier) I have not always ready what I want. already the catalog hettich is loaded "half"...if you don't even have a similar hardware from which to start I just want to see how much you put it in. An example? processing for a door (cold on the thickness, holes that can not be passed etc.)....correscable with internal, external, modular....insomma... if we work in the field you know.

Moreover, if you do not mean furniture all different to size but of the same shape but we mean furniture with scans, stands, empty corners etc etc. you know how difficult it is to manage some work in the subzones, manage the reentries and various things. who knows why but I, in a year, feel like saying so many times to them that "this is better if you do it divided because in a single solution you can't" or "imos doesn't handle that...this."

Perhaps the best thing would be to compare the types of production. ..only so we would really have a certain figure on which to reason!

I agree! !
I rarely have to change the measurements, 90% of my articles change in the structure and in its interior ( closets and angular or u stays, under stairs, mansardati etc). and I also found great difficulty in managing subzones with insertions etc. But obviously the more I take my hand and the more it looks like a caxxata.

I agree with you regarding the difficulties of managing the hardware and I assume that you as well as me ask for assistance how to do (and there is to say that in this the technicians are very helpful, of course they are aware of the difficulty in creating new hardware). But I ask you: Have you seen or heard someone using another equivalent program and inserting hardware like eating a candy? and above all will work? It does not seem like a caxata insert joints that rotate in space 3d and that must follow the logic of construction of a shelf or a side. But I repeat, I know only imos and I am neither a carpenter nor (I was, now I am becoming) a designer.
It is true that some work such as zipper pockets or special braces that in the machine you can program by hand, imos a little fatigue. However, it is also true that since there is a direct relationship with assistance these defects are resolved in their new versions (cam or cad).

By the way, let's not forget that the matching with the cam is not mandatory, you can also just start with the cad. Sure is that if you try the cam with imos you do not come back! ! !

returning to the speech of reliability and generic defects, i.e. more than with imos blasphemy with the numerical control machine: I've been blocking the plc for 2 years and the cn loses all the data. at first were sporadic episodes, now it happens at least 2 times a week. to restore it takes a minimum one hour, sometimes it does not even start. I consider them real problems that make me waste precious time. and you know what the assistance tells me?? ? that the cn do not do it to them, they buy it from an external company and therefore it is necessary or to repair it (which means to stay minimum one month without machine :3559 or to buy it new to the small amount of 4.000 euros :36_1_4:.

ot: Does anyone have any suggestions to give me about this??? I am convinced it is a caxxata but until I understand what is a good problem!!! !

 

[pescerosso]

Bye to all,
I didn't take the program.
too many incompatibility problems with my machine
but what convinced me to give up was the attitude of the seller; according to him I should have bought it anyway, (although at present I cannot do the horizontal millings), so in January-February will come out an update that solves the problem.. .
I don't know about you, but I'm sure an update that solves a problem with a ten-year-old machine will never come. in February, after paying, I would have heard myself say "the car is old, the problem is yours"
So I decided that he's keeping the program, and I'm keeping my sweaty little money.
and we are all happy, I more.

a greeting to all and thanks for the information

 

[gfrank]

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