import problem with microstation

[AngeloB]

hello to all:
I press that I use inventor and rhino and that the yard that sends the files does not help me in any way.
I received from the yard a tuga, in microstation format, probably native.
the boards (2d) read well, even if they are full of 3d curves
instead the 3d of the tuga is mainly composed of curves in space.
does not contain surfaces and solids. in rhino I see the wireframe model well, but I have no surfaces or solids to work on.
in rhino with the command:_planarsrf I can transform flat curves into surfaces quickly
but the most rare cuves I have to transform them with the command:_patch
but the surfaces do not fit well and the result does not satisfy me.

I don't know microstation
I ask that he is more experienced
- is the result of poor export or is it a particular way of working with microstation?
- with a little good will from the yard is it possible to export the "gabbia" in the form of usable surfaces (ex. iges)? or is it just about knowing the "right bottle"?
- is there a procedure or application of rhino capable of transforming the "bug" into surfaces?

Hi.

 

[numero1]

1) I do not know rhino
2) I know him very little

said this in my opinion the cage of surfaces, that is curved in space, that appear to you were (are) references that had been put there to help in modeling.
It would seem strange that they decided to draw everything in wireframe.
try to see if these lines and curves are not in place (e.g.) of the ordered or multiple of them.
However micro extrudes everything, 3d command menu (icon) extrude and then touch the first curve and extrude as surface or as solid, attention is different.
If I remember correctly (on this pc I have no micro), if everything came out well, and if the curves are one behind the other you will have what you need.
Damn how many if......... without an image is difficult mooolto.
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[numero1]

ah, obviously before or after you turn the accudraw as you want and extrude in the desired direction.
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[AngeloB]

I've been informed.
the design was made with microstation + nauship
with rhino I can not import the *.dgn file correctly, but I tried to open it with the microstation viewer and actually the surfaces are seen.
I finally turned to the design studio that did the job. they explained to me that they model the hull and the superstructures with rhino and that with micro + nauship place the irons and produce the tables.
I sent the shell made with rhino and use microstation whires to display the needles.
I know I'm the only one who uses inventor in the ship. I had a lot of trouble at first, but now I start seeing the first results

 

[sail]

instead of planar surf, try to use the command surface from net (more or less, now I have no rino subhand).

should come better, then at the limit do a rebuild and play a little with control points to put it back on the exact size while keeping it started.

if you can and you want to post some screenshots at least you understand exactly the degree of difficulty

edit: I have seen your answer now, if you have solved better so

 

[numero1]

I know I'm the only one who uses inventor in the ship. I had a lot of trouble at first, but now I start seeing the first results

No, you're not the only one, but it seems to me that you use inv for the structure, while I saw it used for the c.a.e.
cargo cargo
access
equipment
or all the axieme of levers and leverisms that move (for example) a stern door or a ramp or...... etc. etc.
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[AngeloB]

use inventor mainly for what you call cae, I did not know the term,
and now I start using it for naval carpenters.
I have some difficulty, but the potential seems to me remarkable.
Right now, I don't know anyone who uses the parametric cad in the ship.
Well, he rarely sends a few 3ds with nx, I know there's a varazze study he uses think. from foreign yards it is easier to receive inventor or solidworks files
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[numero1]

The potential is enormous, what makes me perplexed is the use you do.
in inv I have seen doing remarkable things (years ago), but from the digger to the clock, that is from the big to the small, not the contrary.
and then big... a digger will never be as big as a ship.... Maybe now inv works better and doesn't pack, as it once did.
the finca uses or used newscafo as parametric for the structures, even nauship seems to me that it is.
with regard to the onboard systems (cae excluded) are used for example marine pds or plantspace, which are both parametric.
is used inv by navalimpianti and marine tts, for the cae.
from abroad I saw something, of structure, that arrived in pro-e.
However in Italy, and not only, the must is micro, maybe integrated with some application etc. etc.
But ultimately, if you find yourself well :smile: go with inv.
Hi.

p.s.
I think I know the varasses.... .

 

[andrea-1977]

in truth neither new hull nor plant space are parametric in the strict sense, i.e. as pro-e, catia, etc. are 'customized for finca' programs with billions of problems behind.... :angry:
And then micro is not a must... but it just shits... It's like a digital tecnigraph, no more or less!
the surfaces? their definition level is ridiculous compared to a simple, but discreet, software like rhino... with micro try splitting two surfaces.. and see how long it takes...

 

[AngeloB]

for the moment inventor has behaved well.
I don't think it's suitable for modeling a whole ship, but it's good for hatchons and its mechanical components. one of its major defects is the extreme slowness to open complex tables, but it does not freeze and is generally stable.

 

[numero1]

ah, that I said, hatchons and components.........

 

[numero1]

in truth neither new hull nor plant space are parametric in the strict sense, i.e. as pro-e, catia, etc. are 'customized for finca' programs with billions of problems behind.... :angry:
And then micro is not a must... but it just shits... It's like a digital tecnigraph, no more or less!
the surfaces? their definition level is ridiculous compared to a simple, but discreet, software like rhino... with micro try splitting two surfaces.. and see how long it takes...

I don't see why you're upset. . .
newhull is actually customized for faux and had billions of problems behind, attention I wrote had, now I don't know how it is put.

plantspace is used by finca, but not only, it is not customized for finca, apart from any external libraries or other strange requests.
you put it on a pc and then draw the installations of a ship or those of a blast furnace... e.g.

If I knew rhino maybe I would think so, but I don't know him and so for the moment I micro like....
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[Special-one]

I don't see why you're upset. . .
newhull is actually customized for faux and had billions of problems behind, attention I wrote had, now I don't know how it is put.

plantspace is used by finca, but not only, it is not customized for finca, apart from any external libraries or other strange requests.
you put it on a pc and then draw the installations of a ship or those of a blast furnace... e.g.

If I knew rhino maybe I would think so, but I don't know him and so for the moment I micro like....
Hi.

sorry if I interfere, I use every day since 1994 microst and nauship, design I create and cut surfaces and all these problems I have never found them; parametric programs have excellent potential that micros does not have but depends on what you have to do....I use nauship to pull out drawings and documentation for the workshops (distinct grating and silhouettes) and I can assure you that at this level is the top, new hull goes well for ships with cylindrical bodies extended but on yachts,motor sails etc where from the too many curves you get the sea malship (see superstructures

:finger:

ps.comanywhere if there is to make modeling a little push also alias is not bad

 

[AngeloB]

special-one uses alias? Give me some details.
with the last suite of inventors gave me half a dozen extra programs, including alias. I'd like to study it.
Hi.

 

[numero1]

sorry if I interfere, I use every day since 1994 microst and nauship, design I create and cut surfaces and all these problems I have never found them; parametric programs have excellent potential that micros does not have but depends on what you have to do....I use nauship to pull out drawings and documentation for the workshops (distinct grating and silhouettes) and I can assure you that at this level is the top, new hull goes well for ships with cylindrical bodies extended but on yachts,motor sails etc where from the too many curves you get the sea malship (see superstructures

:finger:

ps.comanywhere if there is to make modeling a little push also alias is not bad

But I never said that micro sucked: eek: he wrote it gorea-1977, as a newscafo I wrote (and I reiterate) that sucked, he planted once yes and the other as well...... if now it works well pleased to know.
all other sw mentioned: rhino, alias and nauship, I do not know them and therefore do not give judgments. :smile:
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p.s.
and then why you should apologize