important choice

[Aenil]

iray is certainly the future but at the moment it requires a specific hardware (cude graphics cards etc.) which results in a further considerable investment.

you did not know about the new engine to make of 3dsm, however if it works with cuda you need any recent nvidia card, if needed the painting then the speech (of cost) changed :

for the rest I do not answer to the thread because I am a little bit undecided while trying every so often c4d

 

[lance]

if they needed the painting

Well, keep in mind that we're talking about one that the model does in revit so I think a picture would be okay.

 

[teo's]

mr is integrated into revit via a "simplified" plug-in. you can get some nice renderings but it would be like to compare a series car to its counterpart from great tourism. said this I recommend you stay on 3ds design and mr. exporting from revit as .fbx not only materials, but also cameras and lighting system (day light and photometric lights) are maintained and are possibly editable in 3ds and this means big saving time. iray is certainly the future but at the moment it requires a specific hardware (cude graphics cards etc.) which results in a further considerable investment.

ps: at the moment I would not descend into disrespects of the type is better a rendering engine or that other...to the current state of evolution all allow a photorealistic rendering and the differences are so infinitesimal that before noting them you must have a super in-depth knowledge (that by understanding the average user does not have!).

of course they are my personal considerations...

the fact that the version of mental ray on revit is "castata" is true, but I can tell you that I did, as revit, bei render (at the examination of computer graphics I took 29..) without even set antialiasing, shadows, transparency & co. To the maximum! what seems inappropriate to me is the value for money: if you have already revit with mental ray is also depotentiated it is not worth spending more than 2500 euros when, in front of little more than 800 euros (no matter then whether you update the license, whether you buy a new one, it is more money you go to spend.. ) you can get to the same results, however having to start from zero with both software .. then it is my personal opinion, opinabile or not:wink:

 

[mario.argese]

Theo would posterior the work done for the exam? (I mean rendering)
so I can make an idea of what you can get with revit rendering at the max level. . .
I recently made a rendering for an advertising poster from the yard and as soon as I can insert the image so we comment it...

 

[teo's]

here are two! as you can well see are not photorealistic by fear, but as mentioned above, they were not made to the maximum of the potential revit (we say it was 60/70% of the maximum roof), because the time I had available was little, and the laptop was not a splinter.. also considers that I used almost exclusively basic textures.

 

[mario.argese]

Hell, my compliments... Great job.. .
If I can put mine in today..

 

[enri]

some considerations: maxwell render is the top as rendering, it is the best unbiased, that is physically correct, replicates the real equations of light, so there is no interpolation, so it is much simpler to use, there are not many parameters, if not those of light, room and materials, which among other things are available numerous on the site, however precisely for this reason, has time of renderings very long, hours and hours to make with a certain architectural,
vray is a biased engine, so it has many configuration parameters, although there are presets that facilitate things, if the lighting conditions are particular you have to do many tests before you get to a good result, but it is very fast, and if you add the vraygpu version you can make the renders with the graphics card, only nvidia for now even if it is in opencl, and it is very fast, practically instantaneous with a good graphics card. but all in 3d studio, and I find it absurd to spend practically five million euros to make architectural. iray, it is the engine to make that goes on gpu integrated with mint ray, and it works with cuda then only nvidia tabs.
there is a further problem in 3d study, that the above renders go with nvidia with many heart cubes, then with the new stops, like the gtx, but to use 3d study in viewport it takes a square or firepro, otherwise you have poor performance, therefore to use well both vraygpu and iray, would be necessary two graphics cards, a professional, even of band /bas/media, like the picture
for the record a motor of rendering integrated with revit exists, is a unbiased therefore has the same characteristics of maxwell, great, but slow, is indigo render.
If I can give you advice, try first how it is the surrender of mr in revit, it should not be so bad, even if it is castrated, then take a look at thea render, it is great and very economical, proof how is the import from revit, is both biased, and unbiased, and has the interactive render, (like vraygpu and iray, but it goes on cpu) fundamental to remarry time.

 

[mario.argese]

This is my making to a resolution of 300 dpi.
What do you think?

 

[teo's]

I don't know what settings apart the dpi (antialiasing, shadows, brightness etc.) you set, but I think you could improve a lot of rendering with more photorealistic textures. considering that it is an external rendering and with what you put, in my opinion you could even set everything to the maximum obtaining the rendering in a short time. I will show you that you will get very satisfactory results! :wink:

 

[render54]

I want to participate in this debate too,
the mr of revit even if reduced is very good
(I put my last 3d)
what I think is missing from revit is for example
a better bump management and maybe a little diplacement
would not hurt, some stone or brick pillars with living edges
to me it hurts to look at them
better management of imported objects
rendered dwg do not have smoothing
so if you drive a car in dwg the same you see it all faceted
if you could import objects in obj or max or 3ds you would access
to huge network archives both free and paid
so even if you could export the scenes in obj you could
use engines that exploit gpu (octane costs 100€)
the thing for a single image would not have much relevance
I speak for myself that I have a double processor machine and 16 gb ram
But if you have to do an animation you notice, I've done an animation of 30 seconds to 30 frames/second and took 60 hours (640x350px)
following this forum I downloaded both the Maxwell studio demo and the indigo demo for revit
the revit fbx in maxwell is imported well only is rotated 90° and no matter the materials, the render without materials is fast enough (800x600)
I am making a render with indigo in revit of my work (1920x1080) but it is very slow then placed the results both of indigo and of mr and of maxwell
greetings
♪

 

[mario.argese]

great render, congratulations.
we look forward to your works rendered with other engines to render.
Hopefully soon in your answer. :

 

[render54]

I didn't remember this discussion anymore.
I tried indigo but it's an exasperating slowness
used to make from 15-20 minutes pass to hours is not from me
now though with the new revit subscription they give me free
3dsmaxdesign and a bundle of other programs
the speech closes
I need to know if maxdesign 2012 has iray
I have in the car a picture fx 1800 that has 60 sewing processors
and on the mb a second pc-express so I have to inform myself if I can
install a second picture card, from what I understood (I hope well)
iray will use to make all gpus of video cards

 

[Tristan]

I need to know if maxdesign 2012 has iray

Yes, I confirm that 3ds max design 2012 added iray to the list of makers (mr and quicksilver already included)!

 

[render54]

Yes, I confirm that 3ds max design 2012 added iray to the list of makers (mr and quicksilver already included)!

thanks to the prompt response
you know how much, in terms of performance (time to render) with a tab that supports cuda you better?
I would like to do some animation on my work, but the times are those that are, in the animation made with revit that I posted here in the videos I took 60 hours of processing, so I would pass to 3ds for animations.

 

[Erikilrosso]

very interesting discussions, but basically, it is about investing money, sometimes not much, and time, sometimes, a lot. because for a physiological question who does the job is always running like a damn in the last minutes, in our little we thought it is more convenient, especially for contests, to perform the renders with revit then entrust the model to a specialized study that in short time and at contained costs, develops the photorealistic image. Perhaps it is not the best solution and sometimes it does not allow us to have absolute control over the final product. for normal work, type presentation to the customer during the design, I am convinced that the mr of revit is sufficent, quite detailed and quite fast both as composition and as calculation.

 

[Tristan]

thanks to the prompt response
you know how much, in terms of performance (time to render) with a tab that supports cuda you better?

with only one tab I think it is not appreciable the difference of time.. .

 

[render54]

You want to take my toy off?
sincerely the renders I do with revit do not dislike me, unfortunately revit has some gaps that are the trees (the rpc to me do not like at all) and the facets in rendering of imported dwg objects,
then for processing times, unfortunately I am a guest in an office of others and the friend arch. has its own physimons and does not want to let the pcs on at night, which in creation of animations is an absolute priority.
You have to have a second pc on which to work while, which I have at home for that and I should take it to the office.

 

[render54]

with only one tab I think it is not appreciable the difference of time.. .

Surely 60 gpu will go better than 8 cpu
I make a small sacrifice and I buy a second fx 1800:wink:
or replacing the picture with two gtx that seems to me have
a lot more gpu than my picture and cost equal (some models)

 

[mike_cek]

x render54: great render mail, would you tell me where you found the family of doors and windows with balconies? and the texture of the exposed stones?
Thank you! :smile:

 

[render54]

Hi.
Thank you for "good rendering"
doors and windows were built and parameterized by myself by modeling the windows of my house that are of 1960, in a following work I inserted another type of lock always built by me starting from the technical tabs of a company of locks, the parameterization was not at all easy and weigh much in kb,
I put two examples
we say that you could make an explosion of the window and every component of the window is a family to itself, there is also the possibility of closed or open antons,
for the stone wall I attach the material files
♪

p.
if you go on video, I posted some footage, one is the animation of the complex of that static image
If you go to the vimeo there is a small animation "make yourself a beer" with these windows, for what you see