improving work?

[Andrea_rs]

a greeting to all,

I just signed up not to find what I'm looking for. I hope in your help!

I have always worked as a carpenter, now I work as a designer in a company that produces furniture.
autocad use to make drawings and excels to prepare the various distinct for each processing phase.

with autocad I have the problem that if a customer changes something I find myself with many designs to have to change with the risk of making mistakes.

if the design is not made as a rule of art is always subject to interpretation and compels you to have to call and be explained, emails, revised drawings etc...

in the realization of an entire decor is difficult in 2d design everything and it happens to forget some pieces on the distinct.

often the times force to leave many details and surrender to the "then you feel on the phone".

in making the distinctions I have to be very pignolo because losing pieces is too easy also to make typing mistakes from autocad to excel.

I would like to draw in 3d and make unequivocal the final result, to be able to make an explosion, assonometrics of the pieces for those who have no familiarity with technical drawings.
make the pieces that I use more parameterized and draw directly from the drawing the distinct pieces to be produced.

understand if I can make the design interact with the numerical control program so that I don't have to generate processing from scratch or modify existing programs.

I have programs like rhinoceros, fusion, inventor, etc. but they are still complex to learn and before I start I would like to understand which can improve my work

Thank you who will help me!

 

[meccanicamg]

Bye. working in 2d nowadays is to say little improductive and strongly dangerous for errors of not updating and congruence seen.
but now it is already twenty years that makes no sense the pure 2d.
autocad in mechanical version can give you the opportunity to work with updated views but always remains a past technology.

the ideal is to pass to a productive cad 3d.
solidworks is the most appropriate case for all manufacturing sectors in general.
Do a part, more parts, the mountains together, make the table of parts and assemblies, make the model explored together.
all updated, just open the relative table 2d and you will find the changes immediately.
If you have repetitive bolts (pinettes, screws, hinges, handles) you do the bookcases and if you learn well you can optimize the creation of the processing on the panels by automatically associating a series of machining (the zipper needs a pocket and two holes.... once set for each zipper, just place the zipper together and alone makes for each zipper the pocket and the two holes). then in separate, automatically extracted in xlsx format reports the zipper and the panel. then more jobs with under assemblies... By inserting the zipper you will find the screws, inserts if there are beyond the zipper.
cad-cam integrated in solidworks allows you to give programs to the machine.
dwg dxf when required as export.
a nice course with balls from a dealer asking him to learn operationally from a technician "not only theoretical" but who follows similar companies and you will see that in a year you will do precise, safe, cutting-edge things and you will be happy with suppliers and customers.

inventor is more or less like solidworks. has improved over the years but I still see it a little more suitable for the mechanical sector alone.

the others you mentioned are not cad of design and production components but are aimed at surfaces, furnaces etc.

 

[Andrea_rs]

thanks for your answer, with solidworks I have the opportunity to postpone the drawings in .dwg format as if I had made them in autocad? studies I work with only that

 

[cacciatorino]

thanks for your answer, with solidworks I have the opportunity to postpone the drawings in .dwg format as if I had made them in autocad? studies I work with only that

Yeah, even if it's probably not gonna be an exact conversion, sometimes it can happen that a share becomes a block or something. it takes a bit of patience to calibrate the converter (to speak for experience with solid edge, I imagine that with solidworks the problem is similar).

However, a modern three-dimensional, especially for works like yours, has gigantic advantages compared to an old 2d style both in the guarantee of coherence of design processes and both in the context of parameterization, which will allow you to easily get different variations starting from a common type.

 

[DrBarde]

thanks for your answer, with solidworks I have the opportunity to postpone the drawings in .dwg format as if I had made them in autocad? studies I work with only that

could evaluate inventor, being the same mother house of autocad creates .dwg with very few problems.

 

[meccanicamg]

thanks for your answer, with solidworks I have the opportunity to postpone the drawings in .dwg format as if I had made them in autocad? studies I work with only that

conversion makes it all on different layers. There are no blocks on conversion. is a pure dwg.
zero problems.

 

[Andrea_rs]

then I try to download solidwork, I will follow some tutorials to do small tests to understand if it is the right way to follow. because of time it would be so dedicated. I see that focusing too much on autocad is not worth it.

I repeat I have always worked manually, but I see that with autocad as well if you are super careful and you are good some small incongruence between the various views you always come to create. then maybe at the practical level nothing happens are unaware that little while however the need to go back to check comes.

I think you're missing a lot of time. especially after that is when I have to go to quota each part, transcribe it on excel (other possibility of making mistakes) assign the various characteristics... then to finished work sift all the changes, re-updating the distinct to everyone.

some companies send us drawings with the assonometry and explosions of the individual parts and it happened to have tight times and it has facilitated us a lot, easy and simple work but we sent it away in a very short time. I know they used rhinoceros for drawings but they don't have the productive part like us.

 

[meccanicamg]

Don't be stupid with licenses. contact the dealer who still gives you the trial version 30 days and can already give you a hand to show you the targeted potential, maybe by doing a small pilot project together.

 

[x11start]

Bye. working in 2d nowadays is to say little improductive and strongly dangerous for errors of not updating and congruence seen.
but now it is already twenty years that makes no sense the pure 2d.

... where I work, you use autocad lt ... fortunately I managed to "make me buy" a gstarcad license to run the lisp (autocad lt 2024 manages them .., and also my colleagues begin to see the advantages!).
I confirm that the 2d design is a source of problems for the continuous changes required: more than once we have done a change and not bring it back on all plants, prospects and sections, and get in production a wrong piece.

We tried the Tekla road... but it was a hole in the water.

solid works is a good product: I did a course many years ago, but for my industry it is not okay.

I would suggest taking a look at freecad (freecad: your parametric 3d modeler).

 

[meccanicamg]

... where I work, you use autocad lt ... fortunately I managed to "make me buy" a gstarcad license to run the lisp (autocad lt 2024 manages them .., and also my colleagues begin to see the advantages!).
I confirm that the 2d design is a source of problems for the continuous changes required: more than once we have done a change and not bring it back on all plants, prospects and sections, and get in production a wrong piece.

We tried the Tekla road... but it was a hole in the water.

solid works is a good product: I did a course many years ago, but for my industry it is not okay.

I would suggest taking a look at freecad (freecad: your parametric 3d modeler).

I use freecad both at home and at work but has a number of problems:
- put into the table problems with tangences and curves
- module together not mature and if you add a bevel you have to convince everything

I use it for gears, nonlinear fems for work and instead use it for hobbies to design wooden works (pockets, cutlery doors, tool boxes etc).
we say that it is not yet productive and can not easily do what described in my previous post on solidworks.

But you can always try and experience. maybe there is also some dedicated workbench....it is to search and try.

 

[re_solidworks]

I recommend a cad 3d parametric mid range like solidworks, inventor or solidedge. it could go well also create parametric, a few years ago it had a cost aligned to the middle-end cads and it is definitely a very powerful tool.
personally use solidworks for many years and with the right approach can definitely speed up and improve the quality of your work.
I do not want to inert myself in a direct comparison between the cad systems I mentioned, also because my knowledge is unequal and very unbalanced on solidworks.
having to buy it from scratch, I would say that solidedge at this time has costs off the market compared to competitors, both in the rental formula, and if you want to buy it. inventor and creo can only rent, in the case of inventor the annual cost seems correct. solidworks you can buy (I think it is also possible to rent, but I am not informed) and if you take fixed licenses (not network) the cost is acceptable. Network licenses are comfortable but the commercial policy of solidworks in recent years is trying to remove users from this type of license: costs to purchase, costs to dispose of licenses in case you want to renew a partial of the licenses in your possession, costs to enter other licenses in the serial, increase of prices targeted only to this type of license.

 

[dsw]

@andrea_rs Have you tried the software specific to design 3d of the furniture?

3d design software that you have been advised are all valid, but are not software for designing furniture and, perhaps, lack some specific tools that would further facilitate project management from start to finish.

 

[Andrea_rs]

@andrea_rs Have you tried the software specific to design 3d of the furniture?

3d design software that you have been advised are all valid, but are not software for designing furniture and, perhaps, lack some specific tools that would further facilitate project management from start to finish.

Like what? Can you give me some examples?

 

[Dum]

I may be late and with a useless info (as it is an additional cost) but I remembered that solidworks has a partner who developed a package dedicated to woodworking.

should be informed about what features are added compared to sw (at what price) and if it can be a valid help or a useless orpello. :

 

[Andrea_rs]

I tried to request the proof version of solid works, but will they be on vacation? a ...I will try to ask this too, thank you!

I may be late and with a useless info (as it is an additional cost) but I remembered that solidworks has a partner who developed a package dedicated to woodworking.

should be informed about what features are added compared to sw (at what price) and if it can be a valid help or a useless orpello. :

 

[dsw]

@andrea_rsyou have answered my question with an answer.... if you are looking for a search engine "cad 3d carpentry" or similar, you find a good starting base, in addition to the wood processing package for solidworks that mentioned @dum