industrial 4.0 revolution

[falonef]

salve,I hear a lot about "Industrial Voluntary 4.0".

last night at report there was a nice reportage.

I'd like to open this discussion, and who puts it more.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/industry_4.0

 

[falonef]

4.0 = machinery, automation, software, digitization and other complex things along the chains.

invest in innovative projects and processes

 

[numero1]

I saw part of the service, man, but...... It seems a little too ambitious, and not just for Italy.
I see the situation in the world, a bit of leopard stain.
Maybe I'm wrong, but here's the link:http://www.report.rai.it/dl/report/puntata/contentitem-99470f20-8984-429a-a6c7-b3d27fa42e3a.html

 

[falonef]

I agree with you only that having frequent contacts with germany is a theme that often happens.
It is never possible that germany or use it invests in this vision and invest a lot.

while in Italy ... in the broadcast they often interviewed professors of universities....

 

[numero1]

But you know... that he resorted, or often resorted out of Italy I agree (now it is a little that I do not speak with abroad).
instead on the fact that they do it and especially that they do it well is another speech.
In my opinion, they are going very slowly, only that having started for a long time; that is, years ago, to us it seems to be Martians.
and then, as often happens, the whole internal market one day will wake up from barrel and zac ............. .
with all pros and cons of the case.
Hi.

 

[SHIREN]

But you know... that he resorted, or often resorted out of Italy I agree (now it is a little that I do not speak with abroad).
instead on the fact that they do it and especially that they do it well is another speech.
In my opinion, they are going very slowly, only that having started for a long time; that is, years ago, to us it seems to be Martians.
and then, as often happens, the whole internal market one day will wake up from barrel and zac ............. .
with all pros and cons of the case.
Hi.

hello number one
Italy is the second manufacturing country in Europe
the 5th exporter worldwide
a deficit between import and export of $100,000,000,000,000,000 (in our favor)
this means that the 4th industrial revolution also passes by us
the prob is always the same
investment in new technologies by the state are few
but to be the 5th world exporter means that private
manage invest they sacrifice themselves together with the workers and their skills in research and development products
unfortunately the wages of the Italians are the lowest after Greek port of Europe
Thank you very much

 

[stefanobruno]

what struck me with the beautiful episode, is the gap of structures in which the researchers are located,
on a bright and colorful open space side, people with blonde curls shot and pc on the knees.
from the other, plasterboard rooms where we are in seven in the place of two, also us with pc on the knees, but why is there not a mackerel table to pay it, low ceilings (under stairs? ), no window, all strictly white, more or less dirty, 'na sadzza.
And yet, despite this, the ideas do the bang, boom, sin that no one hears the bangs here.

 

[falonef]

but in Italy it seems to me that only universities invest a little in this new project.

companies do that, but don't they say that?
Am I wrong?

 

[gil]

I do not believe in public investment, the public can favour, facilitate, but if you put yourself in person it will be an insured failure. However at this moment politics looks at more infrastructure like the bridge over the strait than this technology.

private individuals are mainly small enterprises with little investment capacity and often driven by old rimbas who know what technology is.

some private with the right characteristics there would be, but you would invest in Italy? So these things do them, but elsewhere. There are entrepreneurs who have moved to northern Europe, or north-east Europe that still offers discreet perspectives. someone even went to the use.
but investing in these things, in Italy, is from psychiatric department. not because you are wrong, but because there is no cultural context. that is why we see little or nothing.

 

[meccanicamg]

Very true. I work in briance and what you breathe is working so much, running, inventing new things for the customer and everything has to cost little. Projects suffer greatly from cost factor and therefore materials, treatments, technical solutions vary so that you get the maximum at the minimum cost....and even this must be done at zero time.

the problem is, however, when the employees are not up to you, because they are not very capable and competent... and this is frustrating... and the boss must do the miracles.

in all this there is a lack of training and a remodelling of the figures and the professions....and in the meantime it grows too hard for the times that run.

 

[numero1]

I do not believe in public investment, the public can favour, facilitate, but if you put yourself in person it will be an insured failure.

depends... depends on the place and time we are.
This industrial revolution 4.0 could not exist without the internet, through which we 2 (for example), are communicating.
the network was born in the use of a harp, a public investment...... and then evolved.
let us forget if those pioneers at the time had, or not, everything anticipated; the public began studies, research etc. etc. and the private took advantage of it............ later.
Now, always in the use, private research has a lot more money than the public, but I think the overtaking happened in 2000 more or less.

 

[gil]

ok beautiful in... uses.
However, in Italy, public investments tend to make the same end .. end up in the path. in the last 30, 40 years have followed this inexorable fate, perhaps there will be some small exception, but that does not forget the rule.

the reason is that the public investment ends up being a mere tool of political clientism, whose last stage is the classic “Italian carrozzone”.

 

[dko]

it is useless to push always and at all costs on progress, novelties and technologies, will take years because
the market fully metabolizes the recent changes due to computer communication and automation!
today has good opportunities who can revisit old products and old projects with the contribution of new ideas
..........I guess a kind of return to the past!!

 

[davide75]

I'm talking about what's happening in my company. We are also preparing for Industry 4.0, especially because we work with foreign use and Europe and already for some years we have prepared our machines for what required 4.0. from what I felt to understand is that if a company then invests in 4.0 it also has tax reliefs, but I would not have understood badly. The Mocca discourse for which little is still spoken remains.

 

[marcof]

I can only laugh when I read the definition of the number-point-zero industry? have passed more than a hundred years between the first is the second industrial revolution and now every two years progresses in a step? ridiculous. above all x.0 versions make notoriously crap and you have to wait for service pack 4 because we are usable

 

[CADEnrico]

Hi.

I'm bringing in 4.0 a customer who has a mechanical workshop so that he can take advantage of the 250% dirt for 2 of his machines.

in a few words 4.0 means:

1. machines must be put on the local network (typically through an ethernet port)

2. must be possible for the seller to make remote assistance via the internet on the machines.
Usually the seller connects via teamviewer to a pc where there is installed a software, which he has previously provided, which allows him to do diagnostic remotely.

3. through a mes-type software (manufacturing execution system) that runs on pcs and workshop tablets should be possible:


3.1 open via pc or tablet a new order on a machine

3.2. store by pc or tablet the design and code of the piece, the number of pieces to be realized, the photos and code of the tools, the customer name, date of creation, number of orders etc.

3.3. send via pc or tablet to the machine any cnc program for the execution piece or change the one currently loaded on the machine.

3.4 starting via pc or tablet production

3.4 monitors real-time via pc or tablet production.
in particular it must be possible to know in real time the number of pieces made and the state machine.

3.5 stop via pc or tablet production

3.6 Store your order via pc or tablet

3.7 see closed and open orders



the mes software I am writing has the following features:

1. is written in c with compiler microsoft visual studio 2012

2. incorporates fanuc's focas 2 libraries to connect me to the machines

3. incorporates a mini webserver to export html pages + javascript
In this way I don't have to install any software on PCs and tablets because it turns off their web browser.
javascript only serves for real-time update of some data without having to reload the htl page once per second.




for networking I think I use:


1. airgateway lr by car
(https://www.ubnt.com/accessories/airgateway/)
I use wifi because I don't want to wire the workshop where the 380 v runs.

2. access point (digicom, tp-link or netgear) of workshop with Gregorian antenna that has a great gainhttps://www.amazon.it/antenna-esterna-wifi-24-gregoriana/dp/b00dq8z562 ()

3. If I need to extend the range I think I put 2 acces points and configure them in bridge mode.
current access points allow bridge mode. The key word is wds.
It is important that the 2 access points are the same and the same brand because the wds mode is not standard.



Hi.
best enrico

 

[SHIREN]

the next revolution
the countries of northern Europe will no longer produce between 2 max 4 years
internal combustion engines
electric only
the electric motor is composed of "simple" elements
and above all from a remarkable reduction of particulars
example
no change will exist
box gear rods gear screws oil bolts etc
machines much lighter
disc brake calipers etc much lighter
in Italy 4 million occupied in the world movie
in Europe 12 million people
15 million people in America
but what will we invent to work
Thank you very much
:4441:

 

[falonef]

Hello, guys.
I opened this discussion 2 years ago.

Today, it's all about listening and seeing programs that talk about me and 4.0. also (and with my surprise) on Italian networks.

so as always to slow and delay.... the above theme begins to take bend also in Italy.

I believe that it is a locomotive set up in motion and that you will not be able to stop but welcome to seize the new opportunities of work that will be presented.

 

[gil]

the countries of northern Europe will no longer produce between 2 max 4 years

I think we'll keep the engines burning, much longer

in Italy 4 million occupied in the world movie
in Europe 12 million people
15 million people in America
but what will we invent to work

the cars of the future will be far from simpler. perhaps there will be less mechanical, but surely more electronic and computer science.
automatic driving systems, systems to correct driver errors, more evolved navigators, cameras everywhere, all kinds of possible confoorts, internal connections and outwards etc.
It is clear that the lather will have to evolve into a mechatronics expert.
but the problem is that if you have a metalmechanic factory started let go as long as it goes.
but if I had to invest in these new technologies, new sectors, in research. development etc. to start new productions would you do it in Italy?

 

[SHIREN]

I think we'll keep the engines burning, much longer



the cars of the future will be far from simpler. perhaps there will be less mechanical, but surely more electronic and computer science.

Hello gil
It's a pleasure to read
electronics and computing have very low costs
once created developed system
they will try to produce countries more south of the south

I think we'll keep the engines burning, much longer

It is clear that the lather will have to evolve into a mechatronics expert.

finding a lathe today is complex
today those who use cnc lathes are another thing

I think we'll keep the engines burning, much longer

but if I had to invest in these new technologies, new sectors, in research. development etc. to start new productions would you do it in Italy?

always always

a hug
Thank you very much