info creo elements/direct model manager

[giando75]

Who knows? where I work now you use the direct modeling 17 and we already have the 18 still to install. working without a pdm that manages fathers and sharing is really unlikely, some companies have proposed their pdms developed privately, but how to understand which is reliable and which is not? I would opt for a ptc solution, but I don't know about it, then I saw on the ptc website this model manager that should do just like pdm... or not?
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[cacciatorino]

Who knows? where I work now you use the direct modeling 17 and we already have the 18 still to install. working without a pdm that manages fathers and sharing is really unlikely, some companies have proposed their pdms developed privately, but how to understand which is reliable and which is not? I would opt for a ptc solution, but I don't know about it, then I saw on the ptc website this model manager that should do just like pdm... or not?
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Yes, it's the basic pdm of cocreate. I use the pdm eit but to do so I have to have a license from this model manager, then already I made a standard mm test installation.

It's very simple to use in "simple" mode, ten minuts after installation you're already productive, but if you have to do more complex things, like activate the "project" function, then it becomes a little more complicated and perhaps it's better to call someone who knows the subject.

I who specialist are not created myself the dictionary materials and treatments, and a generator of progressive numbers for models, so in the end I think it is a very simple implementation for those who know the system.

for personal experience, I recommend you go to the standard cocreate solution, and instead refract from customised tools such as pdm eit, which has various problems:

1) ptc refuses assistance being a non-standard product (justly)

2) various functions that on the standard mm work, on the "customized" one are buggated

3) small companies (see eit) can disappear from evening to morning leaving you with an encrypted database on which only they can put their hands (for example the standard mm-cocreate client is not able to speak with the eit server!!!), with the imaginable problems resulting.

However I would say that with a cad as an osd the use of pdm is practically indispensable, even for small ut that instead with other cad can live well without this instrument.

 

[giando75]

thanks for the excellent text!
but would the module date menagement?
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[cacciatorino]

thanks for the excellent text!
but would the module date menagement?
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You know I don't know?

It's something that costs about 1000 euros or a little bit more to list, you know?

 

[giando75]

I meant: to activate it should you do applications->moduli->ulteriori modules and put the check on date menagement?

 

[cacciatorino]

I meant: to activate it should you do applications->moduli->ulteriori modules and put the check on date menagement?

I've got it.
applications-->moduli-->modeling-->modules with license-->modelmanager

 

[giando75]

Thank you! That's what I was looking for.
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[Er Presidente]

...however I would say that with a cad as osd the use of pdm is practically indispensable, even for small ut that instead with other cads can live well even without this instrument.

true proportionally to the reverse of the size of the paxxes of those who use osd.

p.s.: clearly, I, I never needed mm!
:smile:

 

[cacciatorino]

true proportionally to the reverse of the size of the paxxes of those who use osd.

p.s.: clearly, I, I never needed mm!

really google find your old messages where you ask hard if you can use ms-sql instead of oracle! :biggrin:

 

[Er Presidente]

really google find your old messages where you ask hard if you can use ms-sql instead of oracle! :biggrin:

You lie! ! ! ! !

p.s.: I've always missed the "load partial" function (which exists only in mm) that with the axioms I managed (built on the hp 9000 visualize) and that I couldn't load on the 32bit machines (win nt), it was indispensable to handle monstrous assemblies.
:tongue:

 

[Superguido]

Who knows? where I work now you use the direct modeling 17 and we already have the 18 still to install. working without a pdm that manages fathers and sharing is really unlikely, some companies have proposed their pdms developed privately, but how to understand which is reliable and which is not? I would opt for a ptc solution, but I don't know about it, then I saw on the ptc website this model manager that should do just like pdm... or not?
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Bye.
model manager is the most stable and best pdm you can install if you use modeling.
the rest is munnezza.

 

[giando75]

thank you all for the answers!
one of the problems we have here in the office is that working from + stations, without mm or a pdm it is impossible to understand if someone is already working on a model. with the pdm it is necessary to reserve all the parts that make up the project in order to be able to modify and dereserve them to allow others to work on it. with mm it works the same way or is there something + fast?
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[cacciatorino]

thank you all for the answers!
one of the problems we have here in the office is that working from + stations, without mm or a pdm it is impossible to understand if someone is already working on a model. with the pdm it is necessary to reserve all the parts that make up the project in order to be able to modify and dereserve them to allow others to work on it. with mm it works the same way or is there something + fast?
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no, you "reserve" only the punctual model you are working on, not all root or parent group. at the end of the day then it would be good to dereserve everything.

 

[Superguido]

thank you all for the answers!
one of the problems we have here in the office is that working from + stations, without mm or a pdm it is impossible to understand if someone is already working on a model. with the pdm it is necessary to reserve all the parts that make up the project in order to be able to modify and dereserve them to allow others to work on it. with mm it works the same way or is there something + fast?
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Yes, the operation of the reserve is equal a little for all pdms.
model manager works exactly like all other tarots sold by third parties as a principle, but it is the most stable in absolute and does not bind you to companies other than ptc.

 

[monik]

The problem is not solved. I just need to change laptop
the asus tells me that it is a ptc problem
ptc rightly, since it installs everywhere, says the problem is asus

allego complete error messagethat appears during installation

 

[Polymar]

I would not like to throw more gas on the fire, but when more than ten ago we turned to eit to pass to the 3d of cocreate (then was the release 2000), we were definitely disappointed by their support ... and especially from their rates! 3 days of course only to show us how extrusion worked and to pull back and forth some work plan, almost if we were slowed down mentally. the cost of the workstation was prohibitive, and then eventually pulling out of the pockets a little money you discovered, for example, that with the base surfaces you could do very little (see repair of the iges/step). You know what they recommended? "buy the module of advanced surfaces so solve your problems once and for all" ... but then purge you saying that the price of that module was almost equal to the cost of the basic pc+solid designer ... then they even motivated the high cost of the contract for the fact that it was included the customization of the workshop in the sheet-metal module!!! I mean, all there??? ? less bad that the money took out my ex-holder without even interfering to hear what I really thought. so far I have no sense of guilt

 

[cacciatorino]

I would not like to throw more gas on the fire, but when more than ten ago we turned to eit to pass to the 3d of cocreate (then was the release 2000), we were definitely disappointed by their support ... and especially from their rates! 3 days of course only to show us how extrusion worked and to pull back and forth some work plan, almost if we were slowed down mentally. the cost of the workstation was prohibitive, and then eventually pulling out of the pockets a little money you discovered, for example, that with the base surfaces you could do very little (see repair of the iges/step). You know what they recommended? "buy the module of advanced surfaces so solve your problems once and for all" ... but then purge you saying that the price of that module was almost equal to the cost of the basic pc+solid designer ... then they even motivated the high cost of the contract for the fact that it was included the customization of the workshop in the sheet-metal module!!! I mean, all there??? ? less bad that the money took out my ex-holder without even interfering to hear what I really thought. so far I have no sense of guilt

Cocreated commercials behave like when they were still hp and they did the nice and bad weather. I remember years ago I spoke with a technician-commercial of the eit: to do the same things of my solid edge from 3000 euros it took 20,000 euros and passes of licenses for only one post. I had to deal with the eit, and I can confirm what you say. The fact that it disappeared from the market is the natural consequence of the fact that it treats customers so.

as to the cad if I could choose I would never take it, especially because it is unproductive, and everything more than the standard always has a prohibitive cost, and the standard is really very low...
the last one on cocreate I discovered it two weeks ago: to make a distinct as you need a license aside that costs 1200 euros +iva (licenza editor distinct base). have the cad (6500 euros) and the pdm (1200 euros) not enough according to the lords of cocreate-ptc... .

 

[Superguido]

Cocreated commercials behave like when they were still hp and they did the nice and bad weather. I remember years ago I spoke with a technician-commercial of the eit: to do the same things of my solid edge from 3000 euros it took 20,000 euros and passes of licenses for only one post. I had to deal with the eit, and I can confirm what you say. The fact that it disappeared from the market is the natural consequence of the fact that it treats customers so.

as to the cad if I could choose I would never take it, especially because it is unproductive, and everything more than the standard always has a prohibitive cost, and the standard is really very low...
the last one on cocreate I discovered it two weeks ago: to make a distinct as you need a license aside that costs 1200 euros +iva (licenza editor distinct base). have the cad (6500 euros) and the pdm (1200 euros) not enough according to the lords of cocreate-ptc... .

little productive you will be with this cad, every time the same story you are monotonous and repetitive.

 

[cacciatorino]

little productive you will be with this cad, every time the same story you are monotonous and repetitive.

Of course, it's my personal experience.

Perhaps I am one of the few in this forum that uses both solid edge and modeling daily. This allows me to have a very definite opinion of mine.

 

[marcok625]

hi to all, I intrometto because I read that according to your experience the best pdm with creo direct modelling is model manager, we are using windchill 10.1, and we are having an infinity of problems, more than anything else not connected to windchill directly, how tied to windchill workgroup manager, the program that binds the cad creo to windchill true and proper, is a continuous connection
It is two and a half years that I fight for improvements, and today we are evaluating other pdms of other houses, some of my colleagues used eit and say it was much but much better than this.
I wanted to understand which are the limits of model managers compared to winchill wgm, and if with model managers there are these problems with rename details.

p.s.
I had the opportunity to work with ideas - solid edge - inventor and now with creo direct modelling, in my opinion direct programs are much more productive, for use in design of prototypes. the other parameters are more macchinosi. Then depends who uses them!! with the direct you risk making more mistakes.