info creo elements/direct model manager

[cacciatorino]

hi to all, I intrometto because I read that according to your experience the best pdm with creo direct modelling is model manager, we are using windchill 10.1, and we are having an infinity of problems, more than anything else not connected to windchill directly, how tied to windchill workgroup manager, the program that binds the cad creo to windchill true and proper, is a continuous connection
It is two and a half years that I fight for improvements, and today we are evaluating other pdms of other houses, some of my colleagues used eit and say it was much but much better than this.
I wanted to understand which are the limits of model managers compared to winchill wgm, and if with model managers there are these problems with rename details.

p.s.
I had the opportunity to work with ideas - solid edge - inventor and now with creo direct modelling, in my opinion direct programs are much more productive, for use in design of prototypes. the other parameters are more macchinosi. Then depends who uses them!! with the direct you risk making more mistakes.

I use model managers daily and I don't have this problem to change the file name. But there'd be something to know about id, whether the component code or the file identifier in the file system or in the corporate database. id value is usually an entity within the file that once created is no longer editable, while the "model name" is a file property, such as material, heat treatment or more. pdm typically to create the distinct uses the "model name", and never the internal id. So generally change the model name, or component code, or call it as you want, it's a trivial thing, while the id never changes, but you shouldn't have any need to do it, because the boms are calculated on the model name and not on the id. I don't know windchill, and so maybe in that system it's mandatory to make id = model name, but I don't really think it't. If your system works so maybe it's an implementation error.

 

[marcok625]

Hello, thank you for the quick answer, yes I by id mean exactly that unmistakable value.
our problem at the file management level within the plm windchill is that in version 10.1 (our), the model name once given and saved in the workspace, is unmistakable, so in the design phase I call the parts as I want, but I can not save them in the workspace, because otherwise at the time of coding, that is to say the addition of a sequential code and the modification of the model name that will be chosen so now as now you save everything in pkg on your pc until the end of the design, then with immense loss of time you codify everything. (I say immense waste of time because the customization we have is a disconcerting thing as to data that we have to enter manually and the steps we have to do to be able to codify a single component, with the consequence of committing numerous errors.) with windchill 11 they have implemented the possibility of rename to the model name, but to update our system they have asked us a cifrone, and at this point it is not worth going on so all then
with eit instead told me my colleagues that the system automatically to the parts that were not yet encoded with company codes gave a code that started with letters of choice in order to be able to identify and codify them with company codes even at a later time, is this possible with model manager?

I hope I was understandable.

 

[cacciatorino]

Hello, thank you for the quick answer, yes I by id mean exactly that unmistakable value.
our problem at the file management level within the plm windchill is that in version 10.1 (our), the model name once given and saved in the workspace, is unmistakable, so in the design phase I call the parts as I want, but I can not save them in the workspace, because otherwise at the time of coding, that is to say the addition of a sequential code and the modification of the model name that will be chosen so now as now you save everything in pkg on your pc until the end of the design, then with immense loss of time you codify everything. (I say immense waste of time because the customization we have is a disconcerting thing as to data that we have to enter manually and the steps we have to do to be able to codify a single component, with the consequence of committing numerous errors.) with windchill 11 they have implemented the possibility of rename to the model name, but to update our system they have asked us a cifrone, and at this point it is not worth going on so all then
with eit instead told me my colleagues that the system automatically to the parts that were not yet encoded with company codes gave a code that started with letters of choice in order to be able to identify and codify them with company codes even at a later time, is this possible with model manager?

I hope I was understandable.

It's hard to figure out something, if I tie you a screen capture of my part, tell me what you mean by model id?

use both pdm eit and standard model manager. eit pdm is automatically associated with a progressive code to each new part saved in the database. This progressive code is a model mome and not an id. in fact the id does not change when the part in question is finally encoded for the business archive, even if you pass from the model name generated automatically to the one assigned in the coficia phase of the part. the real eit coding corresponds with the creation of the analogue, that is to say a sort of "virtual folder" that contains within it the model 3d, table 2d, any other doc attached (pdf, dwg, etc.). the folder is created and gives it a business code, and automatically the system takes the model, inserts it into the virtual folder and renames it by giving it the same name as the folder, and this also applies to the parts already saved on the database with the progressive generated automatically. the system then when calculating the bom uses virtual folders and not 3d parts. that is to say that the parts that are not inserted into their folder are ignored at the time of creation of the distinct. This model manager automatism is a little less automatic, but it's still being paid for a few hours of programming. If you want I can report this discussion to the technician who follows me for the model manager part, for eit I have no names for you instead.

 

[marcok625]

by code id I mean just as you say the code that generates the system and you don't even see and that every part has.
by model name I mean the name of the part cad 3d, which in windchill 10.1 is not editable once saved.
for windchill, it works a little different, at least as it is customised for our company.
once created the cad 3d part, using the windchill workgroup manager module, I create an anagram with the information and the name I want, then at the time of clicking the fine button, the program gives me a sequential code, at this point manually I have to copy the code generated in the cad 3d part under the column number, then also the model name under its column always in the cad 3d part using the directing structure columns. after save my cad 3d part in my workspace, the software recognizes the code draft and automatically associates the analogue to the cad 3d model from this moment on then the name of the cad 3d part is unmistakable. to be able to change it I must copy the part by untieting its unique id, so the system when I save the equal part but with another name does not conflict.

 

[marcok625]

As for the photo you posted I also have the same properties, but when I have pieces encoded the changes in the model name field do not update in the windchill system.
above all we are imposed that in the name of the model there must be the measurements of the piece e.g. support 66x60x82 mm
as you see in the photo the mask for the creation of the chart and a new code