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Hello everyone,
I have a little problem that, at first glance, seems like nothing, but, going to the bottom, presents surprises! !
how do I, given a certain machine/equipment, find all (and be sure not to have neglected one) the regulations governing its parameters/manufacturing/use? ? ?

I explain: I work in a company that has just put up the technical office....alluuuutto to organize; I'm used to that, at least basic things, they are usually already set up and don't need to do research. in particular, usually, I have always had someone who informs me about the regulations in force for a particular product; Now I have to find them from me for a product I have never used in past works.
I was wondering if there is no site/book or anything, where you can "filtrate" the rules according to the article (e.g. forklift trucks) and go to search only in the rules regarding my research.
My major concern (as well as not wasting money in norms that are needed) is to neglect one or more important regulations for a given product.

Thank you for your kind interest.
good day and good work at all
 
Hi.
No book.
The rules are becoming and, if you speak of technical standards, you must rely on the publication of the various product directives.
knowing the product, you must look for the applicable rules.
helped by someone who understands rules.
There are no alternatives because you didn't tell us what it is.. .
Hi.
 
Hi.
is a pantograph lift
I have not written about what it is because the problem could arise with other products.
more than finding a solution for this case in particular, I wanted to understand if I can unravel it from me without external aid in case it happens again.... but I seem to understand that I have no other way if I do not spray the site one
Thank you for your answer
Good day
 
on those machines there are technical standards
site unsafe but list harmonized norms from the European site to actually know what are currents
 
try to contact the Chamber of Commerce of the province where the company where you work, to ask if you adhere to the free consultation service "unica desk"; this, together with their assistance, should facilitate you in search of the regulations provided for by the various devices you will design and build.
 
that I know there is nothing like that. There is no method to have a list of all norms on a given subject. what you can do is:
1) lightweight books, manuals, and web articles that specifically treat the object of the design, pantograph lift in your case. but usually on such specific topics is found little.

2) go to the site and do a search.

3) ask competent people, maybe pay a consultant.
 
to consult the rules you can always make a subscription or, if you are a professional enrolled in some order, see if there is any convention with one. for inggs with 50,00 € + VAT (annual) or 90,00 + VAT (biennial) you have the possibility to consult the norms transposed from the unit and buy them at 15,00 € + VAT.
needs to do research, study norms and support someone who knows them and knows the product. In fact, there are manufacturers of machines who do not know that there are standards of type c for their machines but above all many know them but disregard them!
 
I also agree with the assistance of a professional, but I also believe that, for personal knowledge of the designer, the time has come to begin to involve the aid, even with its initial inevitable inaccuracies for which the answer for now must be verified. the advantage is that the system will learn and provide more and more precise answers.
I attach a proof that I made by addressing two specific questions to chatgpt; It is obvious that by addressing other questions below on the specific subject, the answers will become more and more corresponding to the requests.
 

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Excuse me but how do you trust chatgpt?
Have you read what he writes?
Are we talking about ple or machines lifting things? ? ?
she or him, takes norms that apply to ples, mobile work platforms elevateable while we are perhaps talking about this rule here.... en 1570-1
Directive 2009/104/ce: minimum safety requirements for the use of work equipment - it is a social directive, not product (the actor is the employer)

iso 4310:2021 applies to tower cranes that lift free loads in space while scissors platforms have supported loads (it is a substantial difference).

Trust the published en in the official gazette and from there begins.

I am very critical about the function of this chatgpt because it is based on data and if this data is wrong the answers will be wrong. I've tested it on the rules and it's often wrong.
 
ah, I wanted to add that Legislative Decree 81/08 comes from a social directive and does not apply to manufacturers except in an article.
 
In fact I tried it with histology caps (which I know).... and did not catch a specific norm
cmq can be useful for other things
 
s.melotto said:
Hello everyone,
I have a little problem that, at first glance, seems like nothing, but, going to the bottom, presents surprises! !
how do I, given a certain machine/equipment, find all (and be sure not to have neglected one) the regulations governing its parameters/manufacturing/use? ? ?
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I would suggest you take the declaration of conformity of a competition product and see what rules it lists.
but with the experience that I have of declarations of conformity written randomly I would say that it would not give you any guarantee.
 
gerod said:
I am very critical about the function of this chatgpt because it is based on data and if this data is wrong the answers will be wrong. I've tested it on the rules and it's often wrong.
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you are right, it is still imprecise but if you make the request by changing the description, it also updates the results with other more consistent.
If we consider that it goes on the net between millions of data and it is found that for a given standard different definitions are given, often for the same application, or without accurately differentiating the types it is obvious that there is no intelligence that it holds; the difference from natural intelligence is that in this situation the aisle never loses the brackets.
I carry a list of descriptions used on various sites and documents on the network.

mobile platforms mewp
high working platforms (ple)
upliftable mobile work platforms (ple)
ple and plac aerial platforms
High-speed platforms
lifting platforms
scissors lifts
uni en 1570 and boards
uni en 1570-1:2024 safety requirements for elevated platforms
uni en 1570 (transpallet a pantografo)

in practice is chaos and, surely, much work for consultants.
I wonder, is it ever possible that, as required in the initial post by the user, regulatory bodies cannot create a common archive in which by typing the (univocal) name of the application are listed all the rules to which you must adhere? I think it shouldn't be difficult.
we have all the necessary technology but perhaps lacks will.
However, I remain confident about the future of the aid.
 
TETRASTORE said:
in practice is chaos and, surely, much work for consultants.
I wonder, is it ever possible that, as required in the initial post by the user, regulatory bodies cannot create a common archive in which by typing the (univocal) name of the application are listed all the rules to which you must adhere? I think it shouldn't be difficult.
we have all the necessary technology but perhaps lacks will.
However, I remain confident about the future of the aid.
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the site www.uni.com It's good. The problem is not the wrong answer, but the wrong question.
"lift truck" doesn't say much about the application if we don't know if it's professional or private, it raises things or people, it's manual or automatic, etc.
 
Fulvio Romano said:
"lift truck" doesn't say much about the application if we don't know if it's professional or private, it raises things or people, it's manual or automatic, etc.
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I agree with you but it should be the agency to propose all the possible variants to which the norm can be applied, variants that can be easily categorized in a unique way for everyone.
In addition, I think it would be necessary to provide a single European portal containing research both on the name of the norm and on application.
 

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