info on first job and how to manage multiple offers

[paco987]

Hello everyone, I have recently earned a master's degree in mechanical engineering and I'm just looking out for the world of work. I would have a question for those who have already passed this phase. in the last period I am doing and I have done some interviews in several companies and now I am waiting for any answers. I imagine that the response times (when there were) will be different, how can I do to wait for all possible positive answers before making a decision? Do I have to throw myself on the first company to answer? I asked myself this question because among the various interviews I made there are some that gave me a better impression at the level of professionalism and others I found a little "caserecce". I don't want you to accept the "casereccia" because I think the others will not consider me and instead after a little while I signed the contract is suitable for someone I think is more professional.
Unfortunately my doubts do not end here!!! : another question which I ask myself is as follows: "If I start working for example as a mechanical designer and one day I would like to move as a production engineer, can you always do?" the answer I gave me is ni! because looking at the known job ads that almost always look for people with experience for that industry. You should find someone willing to let you start from zero very but very difficult.
I know maybe I'm doing a lot of "pippe" but I think the first job is very important because I think 90% will be what I'm going to do all my life so I'd like to choose by doing fewer possible damages:biggrin: .
what do you think? :
thank you all for any answers, I wish you a good evening. Hello

 

[antonio_sc]

Hello, I would like that I did not pass that stage but I changed 3 different jobs in a year and a half.. So I think I can help you. .

My experience is: never point to "partial" solutions and settle down, as long as you have the plan c ... if you are at stake beautiful opportunities and give us up for fear of losing another less attractive you do nothing but to spread the problem to x months ahead. . .

Of course if you had no alternative and that's the only solution at the moment better than nothing!

My advice is to ask for a little more time for companies "homes" and see how they behave, according to their response then you can realize if they need a "student" to be exploited to fill a peak of orders (cantinators) or intend to invest in "long term". In the second case, I don't think that a week and a half of delay change anything, do you think?

different speech if the realities to which you give up still seem very interesting (of the type better lamborghini,ferrari or maserati? )

I've seen that you're like me, so be careful how you move if you've decided to stay anchored to your origins... it's full of mascalzoni in the area...

 

[paco987]

Hello, I would like that I did not pass that stage but I changed 3 different jobs in a year and a half.. So I think I can help you. .

My experience is: never point to "partial" solutions and settle down, as long as you have the plan c ... if you are at stake beautiful opportunities and give us up for fear of losing another less attractive you do nothing but to spread the problem to x months ahead. . .

Of course if you had no alternative and that's the only solution at the moment better than nothing!

My advice is to ask for a little more time for companies "homes" and see how they behave, according to their response then you can realize if they need a "student" to be exploited to fill a peak of orders (cantinators) or intend to invest in "long term". In the second case, I don't think that a week and a half of delay change anything, do you think?

different speech if the realities to which you give up still seem very interesting (of the type better lamborghini,ferrari or maserati? )

I've seen that you're like me, so be careful how you move if you've decided to stay anchored to your origins... it's full of mascalzoni in the area...

Thank you very much for the answer. So I have the feeling of being short-received by the company that seemed less professional who did not even give me information about the pay and the type of contract and I didn't like this at all because in all the others in which I did the interview they immediately put me black on white. so before you step forward I would like to wait and see if someone else gives me feedback. the idea is to do all the interviews and have all the answers and then decide. I guess it's not easy to handle this, I'll have to find a reason to earn time.
You mean people who don't pay? I'd like to look for something here for now but I've given myself a time limit, beyond which, I see outside.

 

[antonio_sc]

Thank you very much for the answer. So I have the feeling of being short-received by the company that seemed less professional who did not even give me information about the pay and the type of contract and I didn't like this at all because in all the others in which I did the interview they immediately put me black on white. so before you step forward I would like to wait and see if someone else gives me feedback. the idea is to do all the interviews and have all the answers and then decide. I guess it's not easy to handle this, I'll have to find a reason to earn time.
You mean people who don't pay? I'd like to look for something here for now but I've given myself a time limit, beyond which, I see outside.

I sent you a private message :finger:

 

[ninfh]

Do I have to throw myself on the first company to answer?

depends on how much you need money, if you can afford the luxury of staying still without salary or not

If I start working for example as a mechanical designer and one day I would like to move as a production engineer

Of course you can change jobs, resumes are for that.
with all respect... but if a company takes a graduate without working experience to manage production.... run


The most important thing to find in the first firms that one turns, it's personal with experience that I want to teach, once you find those and past us of time together you can bet on firms with good reptation to get a resume to use to sell.

personally I have always preferred small firms, the few times that I entered large companies I always found bad working environments and problems working (but with higher wages)

In small businesses, it's a lot tern... Usually the job is more varied and you have more tasks/responsibility (and pays lower), but there's always the risk of finding us inside the 60-70-year-old suitcase that is convinced to reinvent the wheel all the times that it has to move a screw; but if you find the right person you learn more in a small company in six months than in a multinational company in 15 years

 

[paco987]

Of course you can change jobs, resumes are for that.
with all respect... but if a company takes a graduate without working experience to manage production.... run

thank you for the answer.even if a person has always done the designer and then moves to a sector for him new type of production, can he change without big problems? Also why should a no-experienced graduate in the field of production escape? Is it very heavy as work? Thanks again for the answer and good day.

 

[ninfh]

there are obviously exceptions, but usually managing production is a job where experience is mandatory, errors in production management can put a company on its knees in a moment; and if a company takes on a person without any work experience for such a role, I personally would have serious doubts to go to work.

changing work is always tiring, but it changes.

even if you remain always a designer but changing work you can find yourself having to study completely new things never faced before, a designer/designer usually tends to specialize in a certain type of machinery or industry; but also working on the same type of machinery the competitors of a designer can change enormously.

designing something to make 2-3 pieces can be completely different from having to make 10000 (optimize the piece for production, in case you switch to molds/fusions, change the material for questions of costs, tolerances etc etc.)


Some companies may prefer young people without experience compared to people with 10 years in the job, others on the contrary, and it is not only an economic question (pay, type of contract etc.). to change the method by which one works after years accustomed to doing things in a particular way can be very difficult and you can prefer to form a person without experience, other times you want staff that can be operational immediately and you can't/wan invest in forming those who have no experience

 

[paco987]

there are obviously exceptions, but usually managing production is a job where experience is mandatory, errors in production management can put a company on its knees in a moment; and if a company takes on a person without any work experience for such a role, I personally would have serious doubts to go to work.

changing work is always tiring, but it changes.

even if you remain always a designer but changing work you can find yourself having to study completely new things never faced before, a designer/designer usually tends to specialize in a certain type of machinery or industry; but also working on the same type of machinery the competitors of a designer can change enormously.

designing something to make 2-3 pieces can be completely different from having to make 10000 (optimize the piece for production, in case you switch to molds/fusions, change the material for questions of costs, tolerances etc etc.)


Some companies may prefer young people without experience compared to people with 10 years in the job, others on the contrary, and it is not only an economic question (pay, type of contract etc.). to change the method by which one works after years accustomed to doing things in a particular way can be very difficult and you can prefer to form a person without experience, other times you want staff that can be operational immediately and you can't/wan invest in forming those who have no experience

thanks for the answer is all clear! I as a student hide as a designer but I am also open to other scenarios. Unfortunately because of things I will not be the one to choose my job but I will have to adapt to the market, I hope only to find an area that is not niche.
What do you think of consulting companies? After a first period in which I considered them, I now tend to discard them because I realized that it is not the kind of work that he does for me.

 

[dommypenny]

thanks for the answer is all clear! I as a student hide as a designer but I am also open to other scenarios. Unfortunately because of things I will not be the one to choose my job but I will have to adapt to the market, I hope only to find an area that is not niche.
What do you think of consulting companies? After a first period in which I considered them, I now tend to discard them because I realized that it is not the kind of work that he does for me.

I look after 3 jobs (in three different sectors: maintenance, quality, design) changed in a year and a half I find myself more or less in your situation to decide between 3 more or less concrete proposals
-small business mechanical designer (max 50 employees)
-manufacturer/all-rounder(quality control,relating me with customers, process management) very small enterprise (12 employees)
-a kind of quality control in a very large multinational however through engineering consultancy companies
practically pay and contract are the same in all three cases.
the doubt that arises is: better the small enterprise in which I can learn more or go to a large multinational as "consultant" risking being taken only because at the moment there is a peak of work on that project but having a big name on the cv?
and then better the very small company in which I will go to make a designer all do risking to learn everything but not to specialize in anything (maybe even being exploited) or that from 50 in which I will purely make the designer?
I'm practically living with anxiety

 

[paco987]

I look after 3 jobs (in three different sectors: maintenance, quality, design) changed in a year and a half I find myself more or less in your situation to decide between 3 more or less concrete proposals
-small business mechanical designer (max 50 employees)
-manufacturer/all-rounder(quality control,relating me with customers, process management) very small enterprise (12 employees)
-a kind of quality control in a very large multinational however through engineering consultancy companies
practically pay and contract are the same in all three cases.
the doubt that arises is: better the small enterprise in which I can learn more or go to a large multinational as "consultant" risking being taken only because at the moment there is a peak of work on that project but having a big name on the cv?
and then better the very small company in which I will go to make a designer all do risking to learn everything but not to specialize in anything (maybe even being exploited) or that from 50 in which I will purely make the designer?
I'm practically living with anxiety

I would love to help you but unfortunately I am not yet able to say my :wink: but I can understand your mood because we are on the same boat (more or less). According to what some of my friends say, in the small company you should learn a lot more than a big one. As for those consulting, I don't consider them anymore either because I don't like to make the life of those who are always on the road (then it depends on the transfer) or because you change often project and this thing I find it very confusing and then I don't want to go down the idea of being "trusted" to the customer.

 

[New Rider]

I look after 3 jobs (in three different sectors: maintenance, quality, design) changed in a year and a half I find myself more or less in your situation to decide between 3 more or less concrete proposals
-small business mechanical designer (max 50 employees)
-manufacturer/all-rounder(quality control,relating me with customers, process management) very small enterprise (12 employees)
-a kind of quality control in a very large multinational however through engineering consultancy companies
practically pay and contract are the same in all three cases.
the doubt that arises is: better the small enterprise in which I can learn more or go to a large multinational as "consultant" risking being taken only because at the moment there is a peak of work on that project but having a big name on the cv?
and then better the very small company in which I will go to make a designer all do risking to learn everything but not to specialize in anything (maybe even being exploited) or that from 50 in which I will purely make the designer?
I'm practically living with anxiety

I believe that in the end you should see at the end of the month what comes in your pocket regardless of everything.. .