injection mold

[stang64]

in the design of a mold you have to take into account everything, I understand that a designer does not print and in reality does not even realize materially the mold, designs it and draws it then realizes the group of tools (hiking to have it with a certain experience) and the group thanks if the designer sees away.
if I remember correctly in previous messages it was indicated that the inserts must be inserted in the mold and then printed the shell therefore the design and technically the mold must take into account this laying of the inserts.
the designer (the capital p is not mistaken) must know everything, how to print and all the problems that are in the molding, must have knowledge about materials for molds and plastics and much more than now I have time to list ....
For the matter of time, narrow or not if the quality is poor you can avoid working so taking the necessary time is law, otherwise you will lose only time.. .

Say hi.

 

[Mould Inventor]

precise that the mold realizes it not only design, but in non-moulded efects.
your error, and generally is very widespread, is that you can not consider in the mold quote what interests the prevenrivo of the piece.
to explain better, so you understand, if the isers are made "gold" does not vary the price of the mold but the price of the piece. Still, if the mold tool is made with anthropomorphic robots or "hand", that is by an operator, the cost of the mold does not vary, but will be the molder who will have to consider the cost of labor or equipping of the anthropomorph robot with adequate manipulator.
very often, I assure you at least one out of three, these decisions are then taken after a preset and therefore you cannot, and you must not, to consider them.
the only thing you can do, and here you see the capital "p", is to design the housing of any inserts so that they can be mounted on board presses both by workers and by anthropomorphic robots and by simpler robots.

 

[stang64]

Well, if you design and make molds you have two advantages, the first is that you will always be right and the second is that you receive two salaries.

apart from this boiata maybe I don't explain well and maybe you're going out of what is the information that affects pecopepp for his piece.
pecopepp indicated that the inserts can not be put after the molding on the machine, so I did present in the discussion that the mold needs notices that could increase the price of the mold to accommodate these pieces and overprint, I did not indicate that more 'the inserts are of precious material more' the mold costs this seems to me elementary enough for all but anyway thanks for the lighting, since this information of the inserts immediately
are we going more and more towards the refinement of the mold not to intervene or to intervene less and less after the preserie trying to calculate everything to the best, or by sampling pilot pieces or in some cases also pilot molds before the definitive (but not even this pecopepp is the case) and you come to talk about mold prices and price of the piece?
everything must cost less and the results unfortunately, very often you see in quality and timing, companies that tighten shop and go who knows where to achieve more 'less.

returning to pecopepp that doesn't even comment on anything of his piece anymore, who knows if it still interests or if he has already made the mold and his 1000 pieces?

how does the designer/designer make the mold? do you lack qualified people or do a few molds?

I would say that it is very interesting and formative to design and build everything done by the same person but the times from where they fish to do the two things?

 

[Mould Inventor]

I answer you and then I close because you are completely out of theme.

I must now speak to the past: the company of which I was project manager (a company of about 50 people) designed and made molds, therefore:

1 I know to perfect all the problems that you have in designing and making a mold and given my position I know perfectly where our work ends and where the moldist begins, that is what prints.

2 I understand why in the last 5 years he has not been able to find both internally and externally qualified personnel.

3 if for you a production capacity of 150 annual molds, with a turnover that I leave to you to imagine, was little....

4 if you do this job in a while, you'll have to change, so you do yourself... you better avoid being braised.

 

[stang64]

Well we can close the broadcasts as it is common idea that the theme is shut down and if you allow me I try to answer too:

I'm sorry to hear about a company's past, maybe tomorrow is reassessed by the skills you've listed, who knows.

I strongly hope to avoid point 4, if you want, I will try to do less the brawl if you spit or translate the meaning maybe I can even better.

for point 1, personally from what you wrote in these exchanges I imagined your high professionalism, even without this new clarification, unfortunately you have not (maybe) understood that on the other side there is not a bau bau micio as perhaps images, but this is only a detail.

point 2, does not deserve comments (or perhaps I did not understand it in intention).

point 3, what to say if you don't compliment for the goat, have... .

 

[timeproject]

this is a mold that in the north east costs up to 8,000 euros with sampling

 

[Mould Inventor]

this is a mold that in the north east costs up to 8,000 euros with sampling

What do you want me to tell you, I felt like I'd give you some encapable because I said at least 10,000 euros.

 

[Mould Inventor]

in the sense that one with the capital p said it had to be higher

 

[SHIREN]

What do you want me to tell you, I felt like I'd give you some encapable because I said at least 10,000 euros.

in the sense that one with the capital p said it had to be higher

hi mould.........
I read and read almost all posts
and I did not find any msg in which there is even a slight offending phrase
to you and others

It is normal that in such a discussion where each of us does the same job you try to propose or propose your own experience:angry:

if we try to interpret what is not written or read between the lines
at the end of the half controversy you can always find

Anyway
this and I'm a tough but tough one
where the price(and this is just ohhhhh good time) does not derive from all multiplications of material hours and euro€
but the need for liquidity you have at the moment
or from the need to grab another customer
or still from a multitude of needs (simpatie-amicizie-favori-favoritismi-
interlocutors-local situations-ecc.ecc.ecc.)

Thank you very much

 

[stang64]

I am sorry that the exchange of views has been interpreted as a lack of respect or otherwise, all opinions have been given on personal experiences according to what I read on these pages.

I can guarantee that I didn't want to judge anyone and not even do what knows more than others, otherwise I wouldn't even look at and consult this site. I believe that everyone on this site is looking for and giving advice on personal experiences otherwise you can do without putting and looking for opinions.
It seems to me that everyone has given and, still now I read the judgments and opinions, if my opinion on the fact that the cost has been evaluated too low has created some discomfort I can not do anything except say that I did not want to offend anyone, it seems to have always expressed an opinion in general and not reported to a who is, of course the oppositions of all are given on sentences written by others but if a different judgment creates a problem I would say that it is better to refrain.
as well it says shiren the costs in this matter are rather smoky and variable, also this I say it by personal experience since every day I have (besides the rest) to evaluate the costs of realization, I can assure you that it is a jungle of prices from every part of Europe.

This can also be seen in these last steps, still a few days ago from the north east came the offer to the lower with in addition the sampling always included in the price, I remain of my opinion the price is too low but without wanting to offend anyone, I am not even saying that it can not be realized at that price or at the price previously indicated it would miss us, but some doubt I am born seeing that I am aware of the expenses that a company has to face me.

I can tell you that the price of the north east is comparable and maybe you can do and find even better in the Italian Swiss but this is partly favored by a euro/chf change today for us still favorable (even in this case it is personal experience and I do not want to offend anyone).

If and when I can continue writing my opinions and I hope no one gets hurt...

Greeting

 

[Mould Inventor]

the designer (the capital p is not mistaken) must know everything, how to print and all the problems that are in the molding, must have knowledge about materials for molds and plastics and much more than now I have time to list ....

here you said that the capital p I can not afford to use it, in fact you have emphasized that the capital p you did not put it by mistake.

For the matter of time, narrow or not if the quality is poor you can avoid working so taking the necessary time is law, otherwise you will lose only time.. .

I'd lose time while I'm working.

Well, if you design and make molds you have two advantages, the first is that you will always be right and the second is that you receive two salaries.

Here you are

how does the designer/designer make the mold? do you lack qualified people or do a few molds?

and qui cosa insinui...

 

[SHIREN]

It is normal that in such a discussion where each of us does the same job you try to propose or propose your own experience


Thank you very much

if we give half cut to this diversity of view
Maybe we'll work something out at least in senerita
Thank you very much

 

[pecopepp]

1 (one) only operator!!! ! ! ! ! !
who acts as a worker employed secretary cleaning company
garzone for commissions etc etc.

I'm not addicted to anything, I'm friends.
I also apologize for agreeing with forums for some time and I think for the moment I will not be as present as a time.
between my work (by employee) and a hand to the friend.. I work 11 hours a day.
cm the mold has not been made yet... It's who knows if you do. .
in any case, thank you thank you all
"Let's do it!" Good luck to all!! !

 

[stang64]

quote:
originally written by stang64
the designer (the capital p is not mistaken) must know everything, how to print and all the problems that are in the molding, must have knowledge about materials for molds and plastics and much more than now I have time to list ....

here you said that the capital p I can not afford to use it, in fact you have emphasized that the capital p you did not put it by mistake.

I indicated the designer and not Moldova inventor the designer. He wanted to mean the designer or person who wants to put himself in this job as a designer.


quote:
originally written by stang64
For the matter of time, narrow or not if the quality is poor you can avoid working so taking the necessary time is law, otherwise you will lose only time.. .

I'd lose time while I'm working.

As you were talking about all of the timing and the times seem to me to be tight, as well as from your next admission, I said what I have already written, pulling too much time you risk losing time trying to do soon, I think you know a natural consequence and not only yours not to take it as a personal thing.

quote:
originally written by stang64
Well, if you design and make molds you have two advantages, the first is that you will always be right and the second is that you receive two salaries.

Here you are
Given the situation of the comments that was being created I tried to dehydrate but I think I had the opposite effect, then I still wrote "apart from this boiata ...."


quote:
originally written by stang64
how does the designer/designer make the mold? do you lack qualified people or do a few molds?

and here what insinui.. .
It is not an insinuation but it is really a question, unfortunately when you write the messages, the text that is read lacks of vocal color in the sense that not having the tone and not feeling the cadence of what asks the question sometimes you cannot understand how this is placed.
Since there are and I know printers who do quality control and maintenance molds, I also know of designers who at the same time build and also print for the reason I asked and that it is that of lack of people or little work for all then I put this question without wanting to insinuate anything, between the atro and perhaps I repeat, it is certainly qualifying and I think satisfactory to design and then also to be able to build, I think it is the dream of many.

shiren you are enormously right, however I am very serene, with a lot of effort you are just trying to understand, I hope I have clarified everything.

I repeat once again that writings are generic indications and not targeted to the person who writes. If everything is still interpreted as a personal matter then it's okay as you prefer. .