inventor vs creo vs solidworks

[joyjoy]

Good morning, everyone!
for working needs we find ourselves having to move to modeling 3d. until now the 2d designs were created with autocad mechanical. Moreover, for the management of the codes of materials and components we are preparing to buy a pdm that integrates also with the management.
we have seen a short demonstration of inventor/document and creo though without the integrated pdm. in the week we will have to have an opportunity to experiment also a demonstration of solidworks.
premixing as already said that we start from 2d drawings of autocad which would be more suitable?

 

[maxopus]

everyone will tell you his.
try to detail your needs better and then if you need some contact for a demo to ok, we are here. all you will be told here will count to a certain point.
I would say I create you, without half thinking about it, but maybe you run 3 articles a year and that's why you don't even need the cad.

 

[re_solidworks]

first you should say what you plan, this could preclude the choice of some cads.
to skin I would tell you solidworks + ready2works so you find yourself cad and pdm with everything you need and direct communication between pdm and management. I mainly use this solution and as cad, I also have pro/e wf 5.0 and inventor, but you want for my experience you want for the plus of the pdm are much more productive on the first mentioned solution.
I recommend a demo with both products, so you can compare the complete package. I recommend pdmworks enterprise as it costs more to do less than ready and if you want to customize it to do what makes ready of series you have to put to budget a pretty considerable figure.

for I create you could watch windchill pdmlink, but it's a little bit the speech just made, "standard" does little and it's a product that needs to be customized by the customer with higher costs than ready.

be careful that if you are a mega company with 50 locations, remote locations and particular workflows to manage maybe it is better a pdm with windchill or pdmworks enterprise as with a higher cost, allow you greater control and greater data security.

If you don't fall into this category I don't even think about it and I'll renew your first advice.

However, go with demos, first go round the functions and then ask for targeted demonstrations on your products. before buying you have to touch with hand the potential of the cad.

 

[cacciatorino]

I use solid edge, solidworks, and creo/direct modeling.

I recommend them all three!

p.s. aside from this easy irony on the fact that everyone recommends the cad they use, if nothing else to feel confirmed in their prior choices, do you need data exchange with customers/suppliers?

This is a choice factor that can be very or less important, regardless of your business size and contract power with the interlocutors.

 

[joyjoy]

We produce machinery/plants for the agricultural sector, so we mainly use various sheet and profile derivatives. our production arrives at 100 units a year. we manage assemblies of up to 15000 parts.
Moreover we would like to be able to effectively manage the layouts where you can place the created assemblies and in this regard I create is what gave us a better impression.
I remain available for any further details that I now miss.
Thank you in advance.

p.s. @cacciatorino: we need data exchange with customers and suppliers, especially laser cutting designs and hydraulic systems

 

[maxopus]

Good morning, everyone!
for working needs we find ourselves having to move to modeling 3d. until now the 2d designs were created with autocad mechanical. Moreover, for the management of the codes of materials and components we are preparing to buy a pdm that integrates also with the management.
we have seen a short demonstration of inventor/document and creo though without the integrated pdm. in the week we will have to have an opportunity to experiment also a demonstration of solidworks.
premixing as already said that we start from 2d drawings of autocad which would be more suitable?

eye to the choice of the pdm, the choice must be made verifying the compatibility cad/pdm.
don't rush... here you decide a nice slice of your future.

 

[re_solidworks]

if the needs are these I feel I do not recommend you inventor as I could see an exaggerated management heaviness of large assemblies compared to creo or solidworks.
maxopus is right, you don’t have to be in a hurry and I recommend you make more than one demo for each product and it could be:

phase 1: demo guided by the seller in which shows you the potential of the cad
phase 2: demo of the cad on your needs, the demonstrator will try to shape something of yours until you reach a presentable table. expect to see all workflows to avoid surprises.
phase 3: demo of additional modules that can serve you (specific packages for carpentry, piping, etc...)
phase 4 demo of pdm

I can already tell you that since I heard the piping of proe is better than that of swx, but it is an external package that has an additional cost both purchase and maintenance. idem for solidworks welded structures slot integrates the functions in the base, in proe you have to take an additional package with purchase and maintenance costs that follow it.

you have to see them at work and my conclusions are these: if swx you just have an extremely productive tool with a more than reasonable cost, if you do not just pass to proes but with higher costs in terms of purchase and maintenance.

an eye that for maintenance with swx you can stop and resume after a few years with an attack of 500 €/place, the ptc requires maintenance and to return after a few years you should pay a decent figure (in theory all the years jumped) less than promo (which however there are almost every year).

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

We produce machinery/plants for the agricultural sector, so we mainly use various sheet and profile derivatives. our production arrives at 100 units a year. we manage assemblies of up to 15000 parts.
Moreover we would like to be able to effectively manage the layouts where you can place the created assemblies and in this regard I create is what gave us a better impression.
I remain available for any further details that I now miss.
Thank you in advance.

p.s. @cacciatorino: we need data exchange with customers and suppliers, especially laser cutting designs and hydraulic systems

If you want to manage even the layouts and manage assemblies of that type there is no shadow of doubt, I create is the best choice, of course you will spend something more.
for the pdm part.. I repeat again to you will serve a plm a pdm do only by vaulting and few other things, a plm instead manages many other things that we talked about in several other sections, but pdmlink is a great system if installed and configured by people with the cons....
if you want to use it as vaulting and just it is clear that it is wasted.

greetings

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I can already tell you that since I heard the piping of proe is better than that of swx, but it is an external package that has an additional cost both purchase and maintenance. idem for solidworks welded structures slot integrates the functions in the base, in proe you have to take an additional package with purchase and maintenance costs that follow it.

I used swx piping for several years and also welded members.
to say that they are limited is to say little...
Now leaving out the effx that manages welded structures and not (also bullonate), the piping of feathers guided by specific is of another world than that of swx, it costs more certain but there is its beautiful reason, it can not bear a question of price, even alibre costs 1000 euros and makes solid modeling, but I do not even compare it with swkwin or inventor:
greetings

 

[re_solidworks]

I used swx piping for several years and also welded members.
to say that they are limited is to say little...
Now leaving out the effx that manages welded structures and not (also bullonate), the piping of feathers guided by specific is of another world than that of swx, it costs more certain but there is its beautiful reason, it can not bear a question of price, even alibre costs 1000 euros and makes solid modeling, but I do not even compare it with swkwin or inventor:
greetings

from the last time you used swx continuously have been several years and the product has not remained firm.
with welded I have developed very ambitious projects and in times more than acceptable. I do not find them limited and I believe that if the main activity is the carpentry to the point to justify a targeted purchase perhaps tekla or advance steel are more productive than all the mechanics.
if we just want to quote paid products for swx there are steelworks and buildworks.. .
for piping I do not say anything since I am not a specialist and not use it, but I have been by customers who use it and the swx package I do not mind, the creo piping I have never seen it.
for the pdm I did not recommend pdmworks enterprise because it does check-in and checkout.
ready, on the contrary it is a product with a lot of functions, including in a well-made, stable, well integrated package in swx and at an extremely competitive price.
the only advice I can give and test all retailers, and touch with hand functions and costs of the various solutions. to choose well you need to be well informed.

 

[joyjoy]

thanks to all for the info. I have noticed that solidworks is a bit slender with regard to the creation of the distinct and also for the import of dwg from autocad, as I must first convert to dxf and solid edge what do you say? I heard it should be more or less at the same level of solidworks but I haven't tried it yet.

 

[calacc]

I am in solidarity with you joi, also because I am in your own identical situation. personally I have a weak for creo, perhaps because technically it is ahead of a mid range and as the basic version has the same price (if not lower in the case of sw). But I don't know if it's the best choice for what we do today. work in a technical office where we are in two and the company produces industrial pneumatic valves, but there are always new possibilities of businnes such as the dental sector, some automatic machines (for internal use), water treatment machines (if the project will start...) etc... now as now I think I create is too much for what we do. and its defect in my opinion is that if you need an additional package (pdm, technical doc, carpentry, sheet metal etc...) you pay it to gold weight :frown: while to say in inventor you included it in the suite. . .

 

[calacc]

thanks to all for the info. I have noticed that solidworks is a bit slender with regard to the creation of the distinct and also for the import of dwg from autocad, as I must first convert to dxf and solid edge what do you say? I heard it should be more or less at the same level of solidworks but I haven't tried it yet.

to hear the pro version of solid edge is equivalent to the sw standard... but I'm not sure

He's trying my partner and he doesn't seem very satisfied, maybe I ask him and I can tell you better later:

 

[maxopus]

What does "cree is too much for us" mean?
and another question is: are you really convinced that the so-called midrange packages have the same features as creo modules?

sheet-metal (lamiera) is included in the basic configuration, the efx module (carpenteria) is apart but, you need to see if you need it.
the peculiarity of this module is to have bookcases prepared for joints, for profile types and allows to trace a 3d model on the basis of sketches (a little like piping).
but if one does not have to design structures in a massive way, it can also do without.

there is too much talk around and often those who "proga" do not have a proper independent and detached attitude.

 

[Tequila]

to hear the pro version of solid edge is equivalent to the sw standard... but I'm not sure

What do you mean by "pro"? solid edge and solidworks more or less are equal, one is better on the other for certain things and vice versa but at fact accounts you can do with both practically the same things.
then that to hear the pro version of if it is like that standard of swx you do not understand, as the licenses of if there is nothing that has the written "pro". there are the d&d (design and draft), the foundation, the classic and the premium, starting from the first that costs little but is limited to the last that is full optional and costs more. same thing swx also has basic licenses up to premium (precise names don't know) and prices vary.

He's trying my partner and he doesn't seem very satisfied, maybe I ask him and I can tell you better later:

your partner who is trying to, can he use it? or downloaded it and installed it and trying to play?? If you do not know how to use a program is from my point of view impossible to give a correct opinion. I who have never used or created solidworks could safely say that they are not to be compared to what makes solid edge, and that the latter is far better. . .

 

[tartufon80]

your partner who is trying to, can he use it? or downloaded it and installed it and trying to play?? If you do not know how to use a program is from my point of view impossible to give a correct opinion. I who have never used or created solidworks could safely say that they are not to be compared to what makes solid edge, and that the latter is far better. . .

perfectly agree tequila!

This, in my opinion, is one of the main problems of "publicity" related to cad (and not only): if you do not know the alternative how do you judge?

I personally used for three years solidedge v18 (working on folders), and I am sure that there are things that I never learned (ahimé I had to arrange myself, given the combic with which I worked), but it does not mean that the software was unable to do it.
for two years work with pro/e wf3 associated with pdm/link: who knows what I'm talking about knows well that it is already difficult to compare the two situations, since working on folders is very different than working on pdm.

conclusion (personal of course): calm with judgments! :wink:

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I quote both tequila and tartufon, also I of course are of this opinion, as always behind the tools there are always people, besides what even more important the field of use of a given sw, if you have used if or swx in traditional mechanics is a counter, if you go to use it in a company that makes molds (progressive or injection) is another, if you do plants another one, but what says riopbad is still true and
Usually when you go to make the real custom demos, the customer notices it, if you notice it, I guarantee it.

greetings

 

[re_solidworks]

thanks to all for the info. I have noticed that solidworks is a bit slender with regard to the creation of the distinct and also for the import of dwg from autocad, as I must first convert to dxf and solid edge what do you say? I heard it should be more or less at the same level of solidworks but I haven't tried it yet.

I point out that I don't have to sell you swx, I point out that my advice is to touch as many cads as possible, then you will assess the effectiveness of the test of retailers.
dwg swx directly cares them, there is no need to pass the dxf in models or in the table. that abandons the hopes of reusing the dwg with any cad 3d you decide to work, the reuse of the dwg is talk of commercials far from the actual effectiveness of the work with the cad.
the distinct ones fit into axiemi with a click, once the model is done and I find it can not be easier than that.
the properties must be compiled in advance, the same is in creo where you fill the parameters, the same is in all other cad. the info not if you invent the cad but you have to insert them.
If you have a pdm this job should be extremely facilitated.

 

[re_solidworks]

I quote both tequila and tartufon, also I of course are of this opinion, as always behind the tools there are always people, besides what even more important the field of use of a given sw, if you have used if or swx in traditional mechanics is a counter, if you go to use it in a company that makes molds (progressive or injection) is another, if you do plants another one, but what says riopbad is still true and
Usually when you go to make the real custom demos, the customer notices it, if you notice it, I guarantee it.

greetings

Hi, patrick.

What you say is correct. It is undeniable that there are fields in which it shows merits compared to all midranges. if you have to make proe molds is the best tool among the cads mentioned in this thread, if you have to reverse inv. or swx are already cut, if you have to create complex fusions between 3 the only and proe.
If you have to do carpentry I do not know, I find proe less productive of swx, not only by personal experience, but also by comparing me with other colleagues I have not yet seen any productive as we with swx+r2w at equal documentation provided to the customer.
for this, to make the best choice, the greatest possible culture of all tools is necessary.
they must weigh foreplay and defects and see what fits best in their reality.

 

[maxopus]

If you have to do carpentry I do not know, I find proe less productive of swx, not only by personal experience, but also by comparing me with other colleagues I have not yet seen any productive as we with swx+r2w at equal documentation provided to the customer.
for this, to make the best choice, the greatest possible culture of all tools is necessary.
they must weigh foreplay and defects and see what fits best in their reality.

We have to take a test.
If you tell me the incoming flow and what you get out, I'll let you know what is the corresponding solution with creo.