jet water engine

[fantazia90]

Hello to all.... I am a fourth grade student; or found a design of a reaction motor immersed in the water, or tried to reproduce it with large lines with solid edge but I think (other than the suction cone too large for the water mass) that the concept of operation is a little impossible! ! ! ! ! ! !

in theory you should use water as an expansion fluid but since water is incomprehensible and heavy in comparison to the air you should use the principle of scramjet to move the acua mass outwards.

Hello everyone!!! I wait for opinions!! !

 

[Meccbell]

I think it's a crazy boiata.
apart from that you do not understand how a regular and above all efficient combustion can occur within a water flow so strong that a reactive thrust can be generated.

However, there are technologies, called hydrosonics (which do nothing with reaction propulsion), which would have been developed in the last 10 years both from Russia and from use, starting from studies of more than 60 years ago, and which are currently used for ultra-fast torpedoes of tactical submarines.
It would seem that the incident of the submarine kursk occurred in August 2000 is due to the explosion in the launch chambers of one of these torpedoes, or, as some analysts claim, even during a "fire test" of a torpedo launched by another submarine, that the kursk would not have been able to slave, precisely for the high speed that this technique of propulsion allows to develop.

 

[Exatem]

cut...however there are technologies, called hydrosonics (which do nothing with reaction propulsion), which would have been developed in the last 10 years both from russia and from use, starting from studies of more than 60 years ago, and which are currently used for ultra-fast torpedoes of tattici.cut submarines. .

Sorry, but since we talk about submarines and torpedoes, I couldn't get into the discussion...:biggrin:
technology that makes this high speed possible for a submarine (or for the torpedoes launched) is called supercavitation: It consists essentially of creating and maintaining a uniform layer of gas around the hull (except the tip). can be air from the inside of the vessel or water vapor created locally from heat sources. this has the effect of eliminating much of the friction from the water, which can exceed that in air almost a thousand times, since such is more or less, the relationship between the density of the two fluids. a body that advances in a medium environment different from the vacuum encounters a resistance that depends, besides the aerodynamic shape of the vehicle, the viscosity of the medium, which in turn, grows with its density.
It was demonstrated a few years ago that the underwater launch of a supercavious bullet allows speeds of about 1500 meters per second, such as saying almost five times the speed of sound. the thing naturally generated incredible military perspectives: It is enough to imagine warships and submarines that launch torpedoes at supersonal speeds and the same naval means able to reach otherwise impossible speeds. One of the difficulties to overcome in supercavious vehicles occurs at the time when they must make turns. the gaseous envelope deforms and the body of the vessel touches the liquid, with sudden and dangerous effects of braking. to avoid these problems you should equip the hull of sensors able to compensate for the distribution of the gaseous layer.
but how to create this layer of steam around the underwater medium?
we talk about “hydronic pump”, an unusual system to heat a liquid. its main feature, is to be able to produce energy to a greater extent than that provided. the energy of the steam produced is 30% greater than that provided by the engine. Although this statement goes against the principles of energy creation, it is not an heresy. in the hydrosonic pump there is a release of the energy found in the water. heat is produced in two ways simultaneously; the most part is produced by “mechanical molecular agitation”, the excess part seems instead to be produced by “sonoluminescence”. in the hydrosonic pump the very high turbulence produced by mechanical agitation produces cavitation and micro bubbles of gas. This ultratime is invested by shock waves generated by the particular design of rotor and stator (and here is the trick) then collapsing freeing energy in the form of heat. the pump is started and reaches its rotation regimen so the water begins to be transformed into steam. at this point the machine enters the phase of “over unity” i.e. it begins to produce more energy than the one put in. the temperature of the water is constant while the required mechanical energy drops by 30%.

 

[Oldwarper]

finally explained that application "idrosonica" to the torpedoes that I did not find anywhere!!! !

a last small clarification: the hydrosonic pump is a machine (of which it is still known little) as rightly said "over unity", i.e. it releases more energy (thermal) than that (mechanical/electric) applied.

It is right to point out that there are many other "over unity" machines, an example is the air conditioners and heat pumps: the domestic units come with yields of 5.

having made thermodynamics so long ago I do not know analytically what is explained (mechanical yield...termodynamic..boh...), but it is not so cold and does not violate the laws of conservation of energy.

with regard to hydrosonic pumps and their application to heating (there is an Italian company that produces "hydronic boilers") their only advantage is not to have external heat exchangers and a very simple construction, otherwise a simple heat pump would have far higher yields and also does not produce exhaust gas (on site).

 

[fantazia90]

finally explained that application "idrosonica" to the torpedoes that I did not find anywhere!!! !

a last small clarification: the hydrosonic pump is a machine (of which it is still known little) as rightly said "over unity", i.e. it releases more energy (thermal) than that (mechanical/electric) applied.

It is right to point out that there are many other "over unity" machines, an example is the air conditioners and heat pumps: the domestic units come with yields of 5.

having made thermodynamics so long ago I do not know analytically what is explained (mechanical yield...termodynamic..boh...), but it is not so cold and does not violate the laws of conservation of energy.

with regard to hydrosonic pumps and their application to heating (there is an Italian company that produces "hydronic boilers") their only advantage is not to have external heat exchangers and a very simple construction, otherwise a simple heat pump would have far higher yields and also does not produce exhaust gas (on site).

heat is produced in two very different ways, at the same time.

the greater share of heat is naturally obtained conventionally, by molecular mechanical agitation (for clutches resulting from the forced flow of a viscous fluid, and the direct impact of shock waves that are produced in the cylinder).

the amount of excess heat would appear to be produced for the same phenomenon that today is investigated by the physicists from all over the world: I am talking about the lightening.
for those who did not know, sonoluminescence is a phenomenon of recent discovery but now ascertained why, investing with ultrasound of deutered acetone, in it they form microbolles that collapse to 20,000,000 degrees kelvin, emitting a clearly visible flash. in the simple water the same reaction is produced at temperatures thousand times lower. weirdness of our days? Why? as incredible as it may seem, even a species of shrimp can produce in nature the same phenomenon: by squeezing its chews generates luminous bubbles at 20,000°. . .
(see focus no 49 and no 115)

in the hydrosonic pump the very high turbulence induced by the particular mechanical agitation produces at the same time cavitation and gas microbolles. the bubbles are invested with the powerful shock waves that are generated when the rotor cavities flow shaving the rows of the stator, and then collapse by freeing a lot of energy. It is reasonably hypothesized that a very small percentage of atoms - probably corresponding to that of the deuterium naturally present in the water - end so as to implode, freeing heat.

By the way, deuterium is the natural isotope of hydrogen: a hydrogen atom every 5,000 is deuterium (0.02% of all hydrogen). already, 0.02%... ... if the hypothesis here made was correct, I wonder what would happen by enriching the water in the hydrosonic pump with a little heavy water, or lithium deuterus, or similar... Has anyone tried? What are you waiting for?

the "los alamos national laboratory" in the uses have extensively tested the hydrosonic pump, and have verified the anomaly of the excess of heat produced in the water compared to the mechanical power emitted. This excess, which appeared variable according to the speed of the rotor, was estimated to be between 20 and 30 % more for the normally accessible regimes, and up to 60% at high speeds.

all is on this link--->>> http://www.xmx.it/pompaidrosonica.htm

 

[Er Presidente]

One example is the air conditioners and heat pumps: the household units arrive at 5 yields.

having made thermodynamics so long ago I do not know analytically what is explained (mechanical yield...termodynamic..boh...), but it is not so cold and does not violate the laws of conservation of energy.

in heat pumps (a conditioner is a heat pump) the heat is not generated, but transferred, if on the one hand it cools, on the other it warms (more because of the efficiency).

on the hydrosonic pump I am curious, it would be interesting to find that some nuclear reaction is involved and then it would be appropriate to measure the radiation produced!
:

p.s.: attention all the activities that produce energy follow the famous formula of the intelligent, even a "cerino" lit when burning, at the end if you weigh everything, smoke ash and rimasugli, you will miss the mass exactly equivalent to the energy produced.

 

[Oldwarper]

in heat pumps (a conditioner is a heat pump) the heat is not generated, but transferred, if on the one hand it cools, on the other it warms (more because of the efficiency).

on the hydrosonic pump I am curious, it would be interesting to find that some nuclear reaction is involved and then it would be appropriate to measure the radiation produced!
:

p.s.: attention all the activities that produce energy follow the famous formula of the intelligent, even a "cerino" lit when burning, at the end if you weigh everything, smoke ash and rimasugli, you will miss the mass exactly equivalent to the energy produced.

I imagined that. I just wonder how the higher yield formula comes out of the unit of such machines, if you do not realize this fundamental thing of heat transfer. It is evident that the terms regarding the input/output temperatures are lacking and in this case, for a thermal machine, the formula would be incorrectly set.

for the hydrosonic pump are far from understanding why and how it works (if nuclear reaction or dissolved hydrogen in water that "burn" or some other unknown reason). It's very easy to see it. It would suffice a gieger counter for alpha-beta-gamma rays and a paraffin block in front for neutrons. I think they'll have done it before.

for Mr Einstein, there are (see the studies of kervran and others) low-energy transmutations (and the same cold fusion) that violate this law.
in this regard, there are experiments made on chickens (don't ask me how... it would be necessary to obtain the texts of kervran, now irreperible) that demonstrate to produce more calcium (in the eggs) than they eat. On the other hand, it "disappears" a similar amount of magnesium, which would turn the chicken into a "nuclear safa".
take these considerations with the springs, but there are some research in the physics of the low energies (in a much lesser tone than the so-called physics of the high energies) that could give new theories even on the sun, much colder than what you think...:wink:

 

[Oldwarper]

an addendum to deepen:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/corentin_louis_kervranhttp://www.focus.it/community/cs/forums/thread/225640.aspx"It is worth reading it since it has received the blessing of rubbia"

For the latter, I have a little to disagree.

I was fortunate to have personally met wild beef and I was briefly your friend.
to use an euphemism, rubbia and the "official science" have always taken it for the cu*o, forcing him to do his experiments in a barn near where I live (to whom I sometimes witnessed) completely at his expense (retired...) and I have a "autographed" copy of his booklet given me during a visit.

He sent it to the laboratories in the middle of the world and looked down after a few years the cold fusion of fleischmann and pons.

He died without a rage of recognition, despite taking his whole life to "correct" the mistakes and frauds that rubbia and co. They perpetrate for profit to have more and more funding and I hope your friend engineer (of whom I don't remember the name) can get him what he deserves with his passionate research "from basement".

I doubt much of the "belief" of rubbia to his work, since Renzo has beaten him several times along with roberto monti (physical of the cnr) on his false discoveries. But who knows? .

 

[AngeloB]

Hello everyone
I say mine:
to military I saw a film (60s) showing how to eject, I think vaselline oil, from the head of a torpedo aunmented the speeds of the same 10-20 knots.
the purpose was to decrease the turbulent motion and increase the laminating one, the opposite of the supercavitation I would say.

being passionate about strange aircraft, I read that the Germans had half built a prototype of "fly disk". prototype that, it seems, never flew.
apart from the admirable performance (mach 7) it seems that they had intended to make it fly with a prototype engine to "are luminence" this engine should have exploited "the living energy" present in the water.
Surely it is a " metropolitan light", but the sounding is a physical phenomenon discovered by the Germans during the war and perhaps some "sick silence" thought to exploit it for war purposes.
Moreover, it is history, the idea of the space shuttle was born from the mind of a mad scientist like that (I think it was called seenger)
if you go to the nasa site the constructive plans of this odigno are freely downloadable.