la cavour ad haiti

[cacciatorino]

I ask experts of naval things:

What's the point of sending an aircraft carrier to humanitarian mission? Wouldn't it have been cheaper and more adequate to rent a cargo ship and men to air?

And then, is it correct to send a ship so important to the defense to a place so far from home? If it was necessary to have her here how long would it take to return?

 

[Gabriele SWX]

I think it only serves to make our "figure" with Americans.
Did they send us the carriers? We do it too!
That's very poor.

Hi.

 

[Exatem]

I ask experts of naval things:

What's the point of sending an aircraft carrier to humanitarian mission? Wouldn't it have been cheaper and more adequate to rent a cargo ship and men to air?

And then, is it correct to send a ship so important to the defense to a place so far from home? If it was necessary to have her here how long would it take to return?

I think it only serves to make our "figure" with Americans.
Did they send us the carriers? We do it too!
That's very poor.

Hi.

the reasons are much more practical than "emulative" so I wouldn't talk about "mere figure" also because Americans, you can hardly emulate them, we always remain "grandparents" in comparison.
We also have to stop criticizing all the time.
cauliur is a product to be claimed and possibly sold. did not by chance stop in brazil (an interested country). relapses on our industry can be enormous, both for shipbuilding, and for the induced (before the india expressed the desire to adopt the motorization of the cauliflower on its future aircraft carrier).
not by chance, the cost of the mission is 90% covered by the private industry that has all the interest to show its capabilities abroad.
then there is also a more "moral" reason. The cauliur is not a real carrier. was born as an amphibious carrier in fact, it has two 60 ton gates of capacity and can accommodate in the hangar 100 lince type vehicles. as such, it has great load capacity, (they have loaded trucks also on the flight deck) and has a real modern hospital. and the Italians in these operations, are well-developed and well-developed, both for the skills and for the humanity expressed.
However in "surface and under the waves" we will talk about this ship.. .

 

[Er Presidente]

a ship like the cauliur has its own precise mission, bring help, but above all to serve on the place as a logistic airport for the handling of every kind of material.
in a distracted country having a base of support as the cauliur has a huge value, it would take ten.
sending an American superporter would have forced the "system" to use for her, too bulky and resourceful.

If I may say, I would have seized 50 cruise ships (paying the plane ticket back to the poor holidaymakers and paying him back) and I would have hijacked them to the place of the disaster.
200,000 beds with all the logistics already working, kitchens, hospitals, services, energy available in less than a week.
Perhaps it would have been less expensive and more profitable than pulverizing aid on a distracted territory and in the hands of criminal gangs.

 

[Gabriele SWX]

that is practically beyond making a humanitarian mission the cauliur is also making a commercial tour of the type "Have you seen that beautiful ship we have? He also manages for humanitarian aid and for military purposes, two in one. Don't miss the chance! to the first 100 that they will call will also be given a practical bedspread and a battery of pots!!"
I can't believe it!

Bye.

 

[tecnico_plast]

If I may say, I would have seized 50 cruise ships (paying the plane ticket back to the poor holidaymakers and paying him back) and I would have hijacked them to the place of the disaster.
200,000 beds with all the logistics already working, kitchens, hospitals, services, energy available in less than a week.
Perhaps it would have been less expensive and more profitable than pulverizing aid on a distracted territory and in the hands of criminal gangs.

even only 5 ships would have represented a more than valid help, even only for the preparation of meals.

 

[SHIREN]

All right.
But if it didn't happen, it's bad for the earthquake to haity.
but the cauliflower
When did he do it naked around the world? ? ? ?

 

[Exatem]

that is practically beyond making a humanitarian mission the cauliur is also making a commercial tour of the type "Have you seen that beautiful ship we have? He also manages for humanitarian aid and for military purposes, two in one. Don't miss the chance! to the first 100 that they will call will also be given a practical bedspread and a battery of pots!!"
I can't believe it!

Bye.

Things almost always have two aspects and everyone sees what they want. Italy has always participated everywhere in the world there was a humanitarian emergency, often paying blood tributes and however always compatibly with those that are our possibilities (and should be the most relevant aspect). in proportion if other richer and more powerful nations do what Italy did abroad, many problems could be solved or attenuated.
but instead we notice more the "negative" aspect.
But it is a pity that if the ships do not make them, they do the others that are probably less scrupulous.
Except then when a yard announces to dismiss or resort to the integration case for lack of orders. then all to whine, to inveit and to take it with everyone except with themselves.
call also, for the cost of the phone call, turn to your opertator and enjoy the pots and the cover.
Meanwhile, some Haitian children have been eating and sleeping more serene as far as possible.

 

[Focus]

Things almost always have two aspects and everyone sees what they want. Italy has always participated everywhere in the world there was a humanitarian emergency, often paying blood tributes and however always compatibly with those that are our possibilities (and should be the most relevant aspect). in proportion if other richer and more powerful nations do what Italy did abroad, many problems could be solved or attenuated.
but instead we notice more the "negative" aspect.
But it is a pity that if the ships do not make them, they do the others that are probably less scrupulous.
Except then when a yard announces to dismiss or resort to the integration case for lack of orders. then all to whine, to inveit and to take it with everyone except with themselves.
call also, for the cost of the phone call, turn to your opertator and enjoy the pots and the cover.
Meanwhile, some Haitian children have been eating and sleeping more serene as far as possible.

we are Italian

 

[Exatem]

we are Italian

as Americans are Americans, French and so on.
in 93 I went to the Dominican Republic and at the time Haiti was under American embargo. the ships stood a short distance from the coast preventing any commercial traffic. the same fleet that now transported 12,000 marines to rescue.
the reality is that in these disasters there is always a "after intervention" that moves enormous interests. it will be cynical, it will be what you want but this is reality. and if you're not there, you're out.
If you're not there, someone else is ready to take your place. You may not like it but you will.
The cauliur would have done his promotional tour anyway. at this moment other units are doing it.
So if it was taken the opportunity to transport a department of the genius equipped with means earth movement (of which the Haitians are absent), food aid, doctors and crorossine, a well-equipped hospital, where you do not cut a limb with the rusty buck, well, I think there are other things much more scandalous.
We all hope that certain disasters will never regulate our homes or our loved ones because otherwise, perhaps we would also welcome a vessel.

 

[Focus]

as Americans are Americans, French and so on.
in 93 I went to the Dominican Republic and at the time Haiti was under American embargo. the ships stood a short distance from the coast preventing any commercial traffic. the same fleet that now transported 12,000 marines to rescue.
the reality is that in these disasters there is always a "after intervention" that moves enormous interests. it will be cynical, it will be what you want but this is reality. and if you're not there, you're out.
If you're not there, someone else is ready to take your place. You may not like it but you will.
The cauliur would have done his promotional tour anyway. at this moment other units are doing it.
So if it was taken the opportunity to transport a department of the genius equipped with means earth movement (of which the Haitians are absent), food aid, doctors and crorossine, a well-equipped hospital, where you do not cut a limb with the rusty buck, well, I think there are other things much more scandalous.
We all hope that certain disasters will never regulate our homes or our loved ones because otherwise, perhaps we would also welcome a vessel.

I'm giving you reason, we always find the "system" to complain about/make a controversy, that I wanted you to understand with my previous intervention.

bye:

Hi.

 

[SHIREN]

Things almost always have two aspects and everyone sees what they want. Italy has always participated everywhere in the world



Meanwhile, some Haitian children have been eating and sleeping more serene as far as possible.

we went also to wietnam when Americans and friends were thrown into the water by kmerrossi-cambogiani etc.
and we took a few thousand refugees home
In truth, I would have sent the garibalds (your name but my little appetizer)
It's a high-value humanitarian mission.
What are we doing?
to see if in a possible foreign order we take a bit of work
that hurts
I mean, we're the only ones who make them
it goes to the end that from the Far East
with the same money we make it Italians make it two if not just three
with the result that we lose the job
and around the world instead of a carrier you find three
Thank you very much

 

[Exatem]

we went also to wietnam when Americans and friends were thrown into the water by kmerrossi-cambogiani etc.
and we took a few thousand refugees home
In truth, I would have sent the garibalds (your name but my little appetizer)
It's a high-value humanitarian mission.
What are we doing?
to see if in a possible foreign order we take a bit of work
that hurts
I mean, we're the only ones who make them
it goes to the end that from the Far East
with the same money we make it Italians make it two if not just three
with the result that we lose the job
and around the world instead of a carrier you find three
Thank you very much

in fact... hello shi

 

[sampom]

the reasons are much more practical than "emulative" so I wouldn't talk about "mere figure" also because Americans, you can hardly emulate them, we always remain "grandparents" in comparison.
We also have to stop criticizing all the time.
cauliur is a product to be claimed and possibly sold. did not by chance stop in brazil (an interested country). relapses on our industry can be enormous, both for shipbuilding, and for the induced (before the india expressed the desire to adopt the motorization of the cauliflower on its future aircraft carrier).
not by chance, the cost of the mission is 90% covered by the private industry that has all the interest to show its capabilities abroad.
then there is also a more "moral" reason. The cauliur is not a real carrier. was born as an amphibious carrier in fact, it has two 60 ton gates of capacity and can accommodate in the hangar 100 lince type vehicles. as such, it has great load capacity, (they have loaded trucks also on the flight deck) and has a real modern hospital. and the Italians in these operations, are well-developed and well-developed, both for the skills and for the humanity expressed.
However in "surface and under the waves" we will talk about this ship.. .

Things almost always have two aspects and everyone sees what they want. Italy has always participated everywhere in the world there was a humanitarian emergency, often paying blood tributes and however always compatibly with those that are our possibilities (and should be the most relevant aspect). in proportion if other richer and more powerful nations do what Italy did abroad, many problems could be solved or attenuated.
but instead we notice more the "negative" aspect.
But it is a pity that if the ships do not make them, they do the others that are probably less scrupulous.
Except then when a yard announces to dismiss or resort to the integration case for lack of orders. then all to whine, to inveit and to take it with everyone except with themselves.
call also, for the cost of the phone call, turn to your opertator and enjoy the pots and the cover.
Meanwhile, some Haitian children have been eating and sleeping more serene as far as possible.

as Americans are Americans, French and so on.
in 93 I went to the Dominican Republic and at the time Haiti was under American embargo. the ships stood a short distance from the coast preventing any commercial traffic. the same fleet that now transported 12,000 marines to rescue.
the reality is that in these disasters there is always a "after intervention" that moves enormous interests. it will be cynical, it will be what you want but this is reality. and if you're not there, you're out.
If you're not there, someone else is ready to take your place. You may not like it but you will.
The cauliur would have done his promotional tour anyway. at this moment other units are doing it.
So if it was taken the opportunity to transport a department of the genius equipped with means earth movement (of which the Haitians are absent), food aid, doctors and crorossine, a well-equipped hospital, where you do not cut a limb with the rusty buck, well, I think there are other things much more scandalous.
We all hope that certain disasters will never regulate our homes or our loved ones because otherwise, perhaps we would also welcome a vessel.

you quote on everything (but there would be other..):4425::4425:
and I realize that we are very "victims", it just makes me like it.
There is always the vice to see things in a unique sense, with preconceptions and without knowing them, talking so much to do.

I said this, and I apologize if I first went further, I would like it not to be transcended into "other speeches". Let's close it here.
I add that, while speaking of a ship, perhaps this was not the forum suitable for the topic (see the implications not even too unpredictable), I would see it better among the arguments off topic.

We keep talking about sea things.. :smile:

greetings
Mar

 

[cacciatorino]

Actually, the question was technical, and that's what the motives are for preferring a military ship instead of a civilian on such a mission.

The answers have come, now we can make a clearer picture of the situation.

 

[SHIREN]

Actually, the question was technical, and that's what the motives are for preferring a military ship instead of a civilian on such a mission.

The answers have come, now we can make a clearer picture of the situation.

Hello hunting
we should understand if Italy has a hospital ship
in case we were lacking
a furor di forum
Let's build two that's better than one.
Thank you very much

 

[tecnico_plast]

Actually, the question was technical, and that's what the motives are for preferring a military ship instead of a civilian on such a mission.

The answers have come, now we can make a clearer picture of the situation.

perhaps because a civil ship with the same characteristics does not exist?

perhaps because certain specifications are exclusively military?

 

[Fulvio Romano]

or perhaps because the military are government salaries, and if there are no wars they are scratching.. Then do they use them in the most imaginative ways?

It could be, and I think it would also be a good idea.

 

[cacciatorino]

or perhaps because the military are government salaries, and if there are no wars they are scratching.. Then do they use them in the most imaginative ways?

this certainly, but usually when traveling they take the transfer over the normal salary.

But more than anything at first I thought about how much naphtha would devour this ship to cross the ocean, I didn't know that the cruise was already planned. it was for what I was talking about efficiency, probably with money saved on fuel and on the salaries of sailors could have bought a lot more useful goods to distracted islanders.

 

[Exatem]

we should understand if Italy has a hospital ship
in case we were lacking.. .

perhaps because a civil ship with the same characteristics does not exist?

perhaps because certain specifications are exclusively military?

this certainly, but usually when traveling they take the transfer over the normal salary.

But more than anything at first I thought about how much naphtha would devour this ship to cross the ocean, I didn't know that the cruise was already planned. it was for what I was talking about efficiency, probably with money saved on fuel and on the salaries of sailors could have bought a lot more useful goods to distracted islanders.

I'll tell you how much it consumes.
about 3,000 liters of oil per hour. a day of navigation costs about 200,000 €. if it stops 100,000€.
the costs I repeat, and it came out in all the newspapers, were covered to 90% by the private industry that obviously hopes for a substantial return.
we do not have a hospital ship but we have equipped ships and the cauliflower more than the others (know that besides the places for the crew has another 500 beds?). our national tasks, are in the Mediterranean and therefore a true hospital ship would be useless. for a first intervention all ships are equipped. then if the situation requires it, there are helicopters.
Forgive me for the irreverent comparison but, if the profit (concrete aid to Haitians) joins the dilative (publicity of a national product whose eventual sale would have enormous relapses on employment), I do not see all this scandal.
I don't say anything about the technical data of the cauliur.
I said that, who follows "over and under..." in a few minutes will know more.