la crisi.

[myface]

people who are fruitful... Strawberry! :redface:

 

[myface]

ok beat bad..comever returning to the crisis: first data on auto registrations of post-incentives:-26% general and fiat -36%

then looking at the incentive system in general and seeing what cost us (last financial) it is evident that the economic system is in vegetative coma, kept artificially alive.

how long will the ability to pay these shocks, with our debt? and who will make it to decrease the evasion, since the only winning government is the one voted by the (aspiring and not) evaders?

for me other than repeat, instead better proceed (who can) to a robust hyperventilation, because the apnea that will arrive that will be from guinness.

 

[cesius79]

Yes, then the state funding system... but I didn't understand, happens by chance in the times of production that the dealers put themselves to give cars to the citizens?? ? Mah...
the crisis has now done its harm... whether we like it or not the "pneumatic is perforated. It's always a hole. !

 

[vmirko]

the car market was already beyond its size.

It is obvious that if all those who have a machine on average hold it at least 5 or more years while those who produce every year claim to increase production at the end you get to collapse.

I think that by now the goal of the carmaker is to try to sell in wool and india.

 

[stevie]

in Europe alone there is a 30% overproduction, but the pre-crisis period, so now the situation is further worsened for the automotive market.
Moreover recently the houses have admitted to have supported the market phytiatingly making wide remembrance to the autoimmatricolazione in the last year...

 

[michele81]

to date the only markets that actually pull and are growing are the sectors related to the production of wind energy and especially solar; in Italy and throughout Europe; forecasts are still good for at least a year, then it will depend on incentives and subsequent developments. a strong recovery of large plants is not yet foreseeable in the immediate, not only in here but also in the Middle East (to the east I can not say). in general in the area seems to be working but at levels lower than expected and are many small/medium size companies still in difficulty.

 

[PaoloColombani]

the recovery is there, or rather it would be to say that we came out of the crisis...
This is the real level of the Italian economy after the crisis, that is, we are at a good -30% compared to the pre-crisis period, and let's not enlighten that things will improve in the future.
for many companies these last two years have been fatal.
not necessarily we talk about companies in crisis pre-existent, but also and unfortunately of companies that had invested a lot in the wake of the billed records of 2005-2007 and that they then found themselves without liquidity to move on?
result?
companies with new pacca machines bought in 2008 that in 2009 declared bankruptcy. . .
almost all companies have resized the organics, and even here we talk about a nice -30% when it's okay.
Obviously the first to have been sent away were the "young", with contracts fixed and similar time, to the face of generational renewal.
the firms that have set up this storm have exploited the situation to do "cleaning" and to migrate to the most favorable from the fiscal point of view. . .
But you can't even blame the entrepreneurs. the state, with its taxation at the delinquency level, has the greatest responsibility, on this there is no doubt. instead of attracting investors and investments makes them escape to bred legs!.
We extend a pitiful veil on the various Italian trade union organizations, occupied to manage their interests rather than those of the workers.
By concluding the Italian production base comes out strongly eroded from this crisis, and the hopes that new jobs can be reconstructed according to me is really small.
to destroy a company and let it fail is enough 1 year and less, on the contrary to create a new one and bring it to levels of self-sufficiency can take years.

quoto and straquoto everything you wrote.

the recovery is there, or rather it would be to say that we came out of the crisis...
This is the real level of the Italian economy after the crisis, that is, we are at a good -30% compared to the pre-crisis period, and let's not enlighten that things will improve in the future.

This is inevitable. many countries of the old third world which are now emerging countries have a growing economy. There will inevitably be a progressive reorganization of the economy globally.

the state, with its taxation at the delinquency level, has the greatest responsibility, on this there is no doubt. instead of attracting investors and investments makes them escape to legs raised!

Delicious taxation? the duties and taxes of king luigi xiv were a bluff in comparison. state organs, parastats, institutes, commissions, new ministries and state agencies thrive and prolimate (at least as there were money).
the most opulent states of the old Europe are now competing with other states, and not all are prepared to compete. in this way some lose real incomes, others acquire them.

to destroy a company and let it fail is enough 1 year and less, on the contrary to create a new one and bring it to levels of self-sufficiency can take years.

already, but for these categories at risk there are no social shock absorbers. some companies I collaborated with received the coup (a beautiful and honest fine) just last year, while they were agonizing. the institutions lacked money, so they probably decided to make money. I must move towards other industrial districts, and sometimes I renounce it.

 

[PaoloColombani]

to date the only markets that actually pull and are growing are the sectors related to the production of wind energy and especially solar;

Yes, but thanks to the gse. In practice it is an economy that draws oxygen from the taxes that we all pay on the bills to the electric agency. It is not exactly what would be said of a "real economy". However it is better to close this forum interval to return to my works, otherwise the pil collapses. :wink:

 

[yachtdesign]

from newspapers and TV does it feel that the recovery has begun even if it is still fragile?? ? that you think because it is said that the reality more we touch it with our hands......... .

 

[Preparation-H]

from newspapers and TV does it feel that the recovery has begun even if it is still fragile?? ? that you think because it is said that the reality more we touch it with our hands......... .

I tell you that in recent days it has come so much of that work that we no longer know on which side to turn ... But the orders are all with very close deadlines, so we're seeing if it's the usual straw fire :frown: or if there's really a recovery... :smile:

Bye!
p-h

 

[stefanobruno]

. But the orders are all with very close deadlines, so we're seeing if it's the usual straw fire :frown: or if there's really a recovery... :smile:

Bye!
p-h

and when (and if) they will pay.

 

[Lis]

It's about "represin". . .
The problem is that we only talk about it concretely I have seen nothing.
in the expectation that my company has lost 70% of the employees! ! !

 

[stevie]

I confirm the schizophrenic situation. . .
I have, with very urgent and sudden orders.
On the other hand I heard that in September there was a new increase in the application for cash integration so I don't know what to think.
Surely we are not yet out of the pantano, surely the situation is better than a year ago but you must always stay in the bell, especially with payments.
It's just in the post-crisis periods that can get big rips. .:angry:

 

[myface]

Yes, but don't worry, because the shooting is "dark of leopard" just means that your company accidentally came to find in a black spot (hole)!

Just move it.. (magari in polonia):

 

[myface]

stevie has "frapposto" :smile: