la crisi.

[Preparation-H]

I can prove otherwise. unless for "production" you mean cell phones, microprocessors and shoes.

I ask you a question, it seems simple, but it is not.

if fiat builds the point in lung, who produces the point? Italy or Poland?

the fiat!!! !
and who earns is fiat!!!! (I see that the "point" machine costs a counter to manufacturing costs! )

and I turn you the question, who dismisses us, the Italian worker in cash integration at risk of dismissal, or the Polish worker who also works at night? ? ?

Hi.
p-h

 

[Fulvio Romano]

some considerations:

A policy industry has been established (which is like a tumor that is leading to death without realizing it) which absorbs all resources.

- so we are not as agile as our Indian or Chinese competitors, on our shoulders we certainly have another person at least.

- Italy is an old country, it only needs caregivers and health professionals (see job ads) and not designers and people who have ideas and want to do.

- the productive world has moved into India and China and we remain the crumbs on which we scan.

if fiat builds the point in lung, who produces the point? Italy or Poland?

the fiat!!! !
and who earns is fiat!!!! (I see that the "point" machine costs a counter to manufacturing costs! )

and I turn you the question, who dismisses us, the Italian worker in cash integration at risk of dismissal, or the Polish worker who also works at night? ? ?

This is demonstrated that Italy is not an old country, it is not uncompetitive and is not out of the market.

Italy, like so many other countries, exploits labor at low price, made available by governments mostly despotic, and continues to produce. of course the caseintegrated with two children, producers-consuma-crepa.

to give him the content, the big entrepreneur says "eh yes, there is crisis, in Italy nothing is done, the companies close, we have to move in the cina, now it is the wool that commands and that earns us". the point however is not produced by a Chinese company.

I was provocative, it came out exactly what I meant. of course the speech is much more complex than that, but as a principle we understood.

 

[yachtdesign]

How is the situation, is it unlocking something or are we in the same situation? it is certainly not the strong recovery that was expected.....

 

[yachtdesign]

How is the situation, is it unlocking something or are we in the same situation? it is certainly not the strong recovery that was expected.....

 

[Preparation-H]

How is the situation, is it unlocking something or are we in the same situation? it is certainly not the strong recovery that was expected.....

I think he's unlocked little to say a caiser... :frown:

Hi.
p-h

 

[Fulvio Romano]

the impression is that something is moving, in the sense that people are no longer terrified of moving and start looking around, asking for quotes. . .

only quotes however...

 

[tenerone]

the impression is that something is moving, in the sense that people are no longer terrified of moving and start looking around, asking for quotes. . .

only quotes however...

Yes, I confirm. ..preventive to avalanche but not only, hours to devote to customer requests and generally put on official offer so if the customer leaves somewhere else to make the project at least pay the design hours. . .:wink:
the impression is that something moves away, but to return to the acceptable levels of production of only 2008 it still wants...

 

[PaoloColombani]

I also see that some orders come; from a month about some companies have resumed to work, little stuff, but at least you work.
Following the production chain I realize that the subcontractors at the end sell in brazil, angular, india, Romany, colombia, Filippine and so on.
I still don't know how to interpret this.

 

[michele81]

the design for large plants is completely firm, but I think it is normal as areas that deal with plants with design times and realization 2 years feel the crisis necessarily late. in fact until October has worked well.
production for medium and small plants instead has resumed decently, especially in the areas of renewable energies (especially sunny). definitely after a difficult 2009 now some customers cross a better time. Hopefully it's not just for these first three months...

 

[yachtdesign]

you see in this period the signs of recovery, the companies begin to produce and to take away, there is only one problem, that the job offers do not increase, indeed the contrary diminish and moreover in the field of design............ can give itself the recovery I see it in those few companies that I know, everyone can give their opinion to understand how we are put as a country, there is really recovery or is something sporadic............... .

 

[myface]

I now see only the vacuum pushed around me...

people who know turn a lot, but it's just to go around trying to recover the money they advance:frown:

 

[Tequila]

It's empty, too. the crisis has passed only at the house of silvio, since it says that we are in strong recovery, but it should specify in which sectors.

people still go on holiday anyway, they do debts but go on holiday because they choke if they do not have money after

 

[Er Presidente]

It's undeniable.
the problem is that we lost 30% (personalization I think 50) of production and also going as trains for a year will not be able to recover the precrisis level.
assuming that the recovery remains stable for at least 24 months (what possible, but not certain) for the first year companies will try to "do" without spending and therefore no occupation.
At the same time, we're seeing that you're taking advantage of doing the "cleanliness" at home.
the large groups (one for all) having to reactivate the plants prefer to give them from the croatia and "reset" the Italian ones with a new contract, killing "an passant" the union, mixed in caxxate from regulated.
the general scenario is of great demobilization, who can from a "repulita" to the workshop and puts it on sale to realize pecunio to invest elsewhere.
It was the main risk to which no one thought, once you stopped reflecting and if you have to restart, take the opportunity to do it better and where you want.
I have the clear feeling, personal, that the Italian entrepreneur has lost confidence in the system, if he takes it with the union but he wants to lie to politics, in the end they are regretting the mortadella, but now it's late, we're losing the pieces and nobody even picks them up anymore.

 

[radio]

It's undeniable. .

they all say, it must be so ( strange case in July things are always better than in September; but I do not think that the emma, the silvio and briscola company push us so to go on holiday...right?); but at this point perhaps it is better that we start to ask ourselves what is meant by recovery, if we limit ourselves to measuring the increase in the production volumes of bolts, without taking into account the increase of people who can no longer pay the bills; In addition to the productions I believe that also the producers of bolts agree to delocalize.

said this (I am very pessimistic about the future), I continue to see people who make debts to buy themselves wired, I feel expert on the radio magnify the advantages of revolving cards to pay the holidays (!), we have laws that facilitate, from the bureaucratic point of view, the cession of the fifth of the salary, so that you almost forget about the debt contract, that you forget to make one and pay three; It is as if people are no longer able to even think about the possibility to live a restricted (real) period, and therefore do not try to equip themselves accordingly.

All right, I'm going to bed, accompanied by sinistri omen.

Hello, everyone.

 

[numero1]

It's undeniable.
the problem is that we lost 30% (personalization I think 50) of production and also going as trains for a year will not be able to recover the precrisis level.
assuming that the recovery remains stable for at least 24 months (what possible, but not certain) for the first year companies will try to "do" without spending and therefore no occupation.
At the same time, we're seeing that you're taking advantage of doing the "cleanliness" at home.
the large groups (one for all) having to reactivate the plants prefer to give them from the croatia and "reset" the Italian ones with a new contract, killing "an passant" the union, mixed in caxxate from regulated.
the general scenario is of great demobilization, who can from a "repulita" to the workshop and puts it on sale to realize pecunio to invest elsewhere.
It was the main risk to which no one thought, once you stopped reflecting and if you have to restart, take the opportunity to do it better and where you want.
I have the clear feeling, personal, that the Italian entrepreneur has lost confidence in the system, if he takes it with the union but he wants to lie to politics, in the end they are regretting the mortadella, but now it's late, we're losing the pieces and nobody even picks them up anymore.

I agree on everything except for the first step.
the recovery is not there yet, that is why many are refurbishing and trying to restart (maybe) on the other side.
others will not depart +
omsa goes to the east (from faenza) for example, the bialetti is on the edge of the [Bleep].... These are symbols of Italian style.
I have bad omens too.
Hi.

 

[yachtdesign]

As I understood from the speeches, the crisis is also in the first phase of recovery, there are sporadic developments that are seen around which but you do not see how it was anticipated and as they say in the newspapers, important is that enterprises do not lose confidence if not it would be deadly in this period of crisis....

 

[stevie]

the recovery is there, or rather it would be to say that we came out of the crisis...
This is the real level of the Italian economy after the crisis, that is, we are at a good -30% compared to the pre-crisis period, and let's not enlighten that things will improve in the future.
for many companies these last two years have been fatal.
not necessarily we talk about companies in crisis pre-existent, but also and unfortunately of companies that had invested a lot in the wake of the billed records of 2005-2007 and that they then found themselves without liquidity to move on?
result?
companies with new pacca machines bought in 2008 that in 2009 declared bankruptcy. . .
almost all companies have resized the organics, and even here we talk about a nice -30% when it's okay.
Obviously the first to have been sent away were the "young", with contracts fixed and similar time, to the face of generational renewal.
the firms that have set up this storm have exploited the situation to do "cleaning" and to migrate to the most favorable from the fiscal point of view. . .
But you can't even blame the entrepreneurs. the state, with its taxation at the delinquency level, has the greatest responsibility, on this there is no doubt. instead of attracting investors and investments makes them escape to bred legs!.
We extend a pitiful veil on the various Italian trade union organizations, occupied to manage their interests rather than those of the workers.
By concluding the Italian production base comes out strongly eroded from this crisis, and the hopes that new jobs can be reconstructed according to me is really small.
to destroy a company and let it fail is enough 1 year and less, on the contrary to create a new one and bring it to levels of self-sufficiency can take years.

 

[cesius79]

.... I continue to see people who make debts to buy themselves cabbage, I feel experts on the radio magnify the advantages of revolving cards to pay the holidays (!), we have laws that facilitate, from the bureaucratic point of view, the cession of the fifth of the salary, so that you almost forget the contract debt, that you forget about the fact that you make one and pay three; It is as if people are no longer able to even think about the possibility to live a restricted (real) period, and therefore do not try to equip themselves accordingly.

All right, I'm going to bed, accompanied by sinistri omen.

Hello, everyone.

that the average Italian is a big mule that weeps on it we know from the times of the Romans... it's too difficult to overcome the idea of not being able to cum with the new mobile phone from 500 euros (the 70% of its functions will never be used) or with the new 10 euro macchinone to supply since the coin is not there!
On the other hand, the political class for decades has only mirrored the people in a clear and crystallized way.... dirty, unscrupulous, selfish, ignorant, menefreghista, liar, cowardice and those who have more....

 

[Mario SJPD]

that the average Italian is a big mule that weeps on it we know from the times of the Romans... it's too difficult to overcome the idea of not being able to cum with the new mobile phone from 500 euros (the 70% of its functions will never be used) or with the new 10 euro macchinone to supply since the coin is not there!
On the other hand, the political class for decades has only mirrored the people in a clear and crystallized way.... dirty, unscrupulous, selfish, ignorant, menefreghista, liar, cowardice and those who have more....
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evviva the optimism,:biggrin:
nb the new iphone 32 gb costs 760€ now I go to make a loan to the finfregatura and I buy it... so soon change the government and then I will be able to afford it this and other.:finger::tongue:

 

[cesius79]

from the ups, let me say another...the photos from the Vicin balconies to the collapse of the building in napoli... for sale with so much tariff....only an Italian can do such craps! !
What a shame, how bitter I am. . . .
:angry: