la crisi.

[omegaquadroerre]

8 months have passed since the official beginning of the crisis.
customers do not want to hear about buying new machinery.
seems that the market has fallen asleep or worse seems to be at war.
we are preparing to spend loving holidays.
personally I hadn't turned off the pc in August.

then what to say in this sudden and incomprehensible crisis?

I would like to bring back here the words of a genius who crossed 2 world wars and the great depression of 1929.

"We don't expect things to change if we keep doing it the same way.
crisis is the best thing that can happen to people and whole nations, because it is precisely the crisis to bring progress!
creativity comes from anxiety, as the day comes from the dark night.
is in the crisis that inventiveness, discoveries and great strategies arise.
who overcomes the crisis surpasses himself, without being overcome.
who attributes his defeats and his mistakes to the crisis rapes his talent and respects more the problems than solutions.
the real crisis is the crisis of incompetence. " albert einstein (1879-1955)


alberto, illuminaci!

 

[stevie]

but strange to hear television seems to be all solved, all behind it...the highways are full of vacationers with the wallet full of money to spend.. There is no place in hotels, pizzerias and restaurants...

 

[Mario SJPD]

I have spent the last 7 months attached to a single client who had a lot of work...from May they are giving life signals also other customers...I go there with lead feet only because I would not be able to carry out all the work alone and I fear to take unnecessary risks on payments (despite being known customers). I think that it depends very much on the working sector I collaborate very much with manufacturers of machine tools automation but above all industrial plants.
in August maybe I can do the week from 15 to 23 but it is not said that it does not fill that too.
a good indicator of true recovery for me but a little for everyone could be the business situation Danieli if you start again it means that they are restarting the anchovies and slowly restarts everything... or almost.
who knows if some well informed can tell us something.

 

[vmirko]

I think there will be the final bat from here to the first months of 2010 where unfortunately many companies will not arrive,
then probably slowly will start again.

 

[MBT]

I have spent the last 7 months attached to a single client who had a lot of work...from May they are giving life signals also other customers...I go there with lead feet only because I would not be able to carry out all the work alone and I fear to take unnecessary risks on payments (despite being known customers). I think that it depends very much on the working sector I collaborate very much with manufacturers of machine tools automation but above all industrial plants.
in August maybe I can do the week from 15 to 23 but it is not said that it does not fill that too.
a good indicator of true recovery for me but a little for everyone could be the business situation Danieli if you start again it means that they are restarting the anchovies and slowly restarts everything... or almost.
who knows if some well informed can tell us something.

Why do you say danieli should be a good indicator? ? ?
time ago she was in a hairy crisis, but other competing companies would land her.

 

[Mario SJPD]

Why do you say danieli should be a good indicator? ? ?

for the working sector in my area start first steel plants followed by power machines (press deformation sheet, calandre, etc.), then machine tools, automation and finally finishing metals. ..practically follows the production process in this case of iron.

time ago she was in a hairy crisis, but other competing companies would land her.

I am working with a couple of companies in the industry who have actually felt less the crisis of danieli but I think it depends very much on the size on which the company is structured.
a company of just over 100 people in the industry is almost artisanal if it manages to have work even in the period of crisis is thanks to the flexibility of its structure and at fixed costs reduced always compared to danieli that is huge so maybe the small maintenance and lavours that however the steel mills have continued to carry out if they are awarded the small companies while the complete plants or even their revamping were suspended.
I repeat and only my opinion linked to a particular sector but if I could know more....

 

[enry79]

in general there is air of recovery, orders increasing again, but, I say but, it is classic of Italy for this period of the year, as the month of August unlike abroad here from us is practically all still. How all the years there is a growth that is partly caused by this, and in part is resumed?!?? We'll see in September.

in general then it is true that the little ones survived while the big ones suffered.
not only, from the industrial union it is known (for having spoken to us) that the crisis has rewarded those who do real made in italy and has struck more who imported it is enough.

Surely regardless of a recovery or not, in September there will be a real shock.. .
the firms that had big mortgages and investments in progress did not hold faith to the commitments with the banks and yes the bank does not wait for the recovery, do the accounts, how much wait? 6-7 months and then start with bankruptcy requests and refunds.... what month does it come out? September 2009!
in fact many are closing now, before risking.

What I don't understand and how does people keep going to the restaurant and on vacation like nothing was, do we have the money where they take them? Everyone talks about crisis, there's no I do, Cassaintegration and then you see them go this weekend!
continue with the play of doing everything with loans and installments, play that has brought this crisis?? ? ? ?

as it is known, as a result of the failure of the big American banking groups who have discovered that they have made Americans indebted beyond their income (but do not control them????), the surviving groups have been caught (in Italy unicredited for example) and reaction to save themselves have closed the stock exchanges to the companies, so the money has come less for the big investments that move the market and the rest few weeks

Now that this led to the insolvency many firms, personally I am afraid, will it be up to other banks to go behind now to the industries? What reaction will they have, will they close even more pockets? If this became the present state would be just a precrisis... .

At the industrial level, in fact, the small banks are currently being preferred, which have not been damaged, continue to work with companies, if the crisis passes the large banks will have to learn from the small ones. . .

Okay I already said too much I apologize for the length... .

 

[cacciatorino]

Okay I already said too much I apologize for the length... .

I also seem to see that something moves, agreeing with your post apart from the fact of small businesses against the big ones. Banks typically tend to save the big ones and choke the little ones, even because they have no interest in failing a big client with whom they are strongly expelled.

 

[Mario SJPD]

classic of Italy for this period of the year, as the month of August unlike abroad here from us is practically all still. How all the years there is a growth that is partly caused by this, and in part is resumed?!?? We'll see in September.

the market that stops in August is that of the components (also in this sector the commercials are deleterei) for that the companies that know to have to work in August (maintenances and new installations) they throw home everything they think can serve to arrive in October in fact we have a month August in which not only do not deliver the products in order but there is no possibility to carry out new orders.
However, this fluctuation of sales concerns only components retailers, not manufacturers.
Also because of this I had asked info about the state of a great producer.....mbt you know nothing about it?

 

[enry79]

the market that stops in August is that of the components (also in this sector the commercials are deleterei) for that the companies that know to have to work in August (maintenances and new installations) they throw home everything they think can serve to arrive in October in fact we have a month August in which not only do not deliver the products in order but there is no possibility to carry out new orders.
However, this fluctuation of sales concerns only components retailers, not manufacturers.
Also because of this I had asked info about the state of a great producer.....mbt you know nothing about it?

in part, in fact we are builders of hydraulic components and every year in this period the work increases to fill the warehouses that in August do not have arrivals but must cope with the normal maintenance as told by you.
increasing our orders, however, we have made more orders upstream towards print shops, suppliers etc...
we will travel more trucks towards the end of July. . .
and by saying to chain, our hopes is that this is not simply the block effect of August but that it is partly recovered... otherwise there will be a hard return.. .

 

[Mario SJPD]

and by saying to chain, our hopes is that this is not simply the block effect of August but that it is partly recovered... otherwise there will be a hard return.. .

is the hope of all

 

[Meccbell]

However all the speech based on things, like recresina yes or no, september orribilis or not, reintegration stocks or real redistribution, etc. etc. it will have to deal with a reality of itself very simple, but that many, starting from who should make certain decisions (governments, central banks) seem to ignore:
all over the world, everything and not only the "Western" one, there is a production surplus that many estimate to be in about 15-20%, while others come to share even around 30% of the real world demand.

What does that mean?
simple, that until the demand was pumped and drugged with purchases in debt, induced by so-called social marketing and "synthetic" fashions, then this surplus did not notice and many thought they could mask it until countries like cina and india had become themselves great containers of question, perhaps also "synthetic".
only that 2 "small" things have happened, that they have vanished the game:

1) cina and india not only did not start as internal markets for use of our exports, or at least this did not happen in the times and in the dimensions previewed about ten years ago, but they have dubbed the blow, revealing itself as the only and true players of the world at the productive level, and this happened while we Westerners we all strung in the mirror, strong of our "beautiful" tertiaryization and financialization of our economic systems.

2) always strong of our beautiful peacock wheel, some "healthy brain", backed by the usual economists (just to understand, those who know everything... but the next day...), has invented the system to work even less and gain even more, leggasi derivati, cartolarizations, futures and other heavy drugs of the genre.
This has simply had the effect of subtracting to the productive circuit the funds necessary for investments in research and renewal of the productive systems, necessary to face Asian competition.

result of 1+2?
simple, while today the cina alone holds at least 35% of the public debt it uses (ready, if only it would have failed the united states within 6 months to the maximum) and the sovereign funds of the Middle Eastern countries pappano fette ever greater than ours, few, residual productive reality, while the india has created an aggregation of school-research-production that is estimated by 2020 will make you hold at least
4 floors of softness, but all prevented from sterco.

conclusion: It may also pass this crisis, but already others are around the corner waiting.
so the real question is not when this will pass, but how to avoid the next.

 

[Mocca]

Hello, everyone.
Well, we're at the door of September, and as promised by our board president, we're gonna have to start smelling resumption. I don't know you but since the end of May I have nothing to do so much less my customers have work to tertify: that little work that is around is paid less than the price of potatoes and here the dilemma: take it the same or stay with your hands?
to date in the Turinese does not move leaf and the many companies continue to agonize.
I share what meccbell says but that to eat you have to work and if the job is missing they are pains.
I would like to know how you are related to your employment and geographical position.
good work to all (for who has it)
Mouth

 

[Preparation-H]

Hello, everyone.
Well, we're at the door of September, and as promised by our board president, we're gonna have to start smelling resumption. I don't know you but since the end of May I have nothing to do so much less my customers have work to tertify: that little work that is around is paid less than the price of potatoes and here the dilemma: take it the same or stay with your hands?
to date in the Turinese does not move leaf and the many companies continue to agonize.
I share what meccbell says but that to eat you have to work and if the job is missing they are pains.
I would like to know how you are related to your employment and geographical position.
good work to all (for who has it)
Mouth

in 4 months (period April - July) I worked si and no 20gg, now it is 7 weeks that I do not enter the workshop, you had to resume tomorrow but they warned me to continue with the "ferie"... ehm I mean with the case (if you don't give a move soon the case will be something else... )...

Hi.
p-h

 

[stevie]

in 4 months (period April - July) I worked si and no 20gg, now it is 7 weeks that I do not enter the workshop, you had to resume tomorrow but they warned me to continue with the "ferie"... ehm I mean with the case (if you don't give a move soon the case will be something else... )...

Hi.
p-h

You are not the only one, judging by the grave silence of the industrial districts of my area it seems that many companies have prolonged the "ferie". . .

 

[Il marangon]

I thought that on the return from vacation I had work to do but, apart from some models for a fair in mid-September you can't see anything at the horizon, who knows that he makes a week of vacation even in September. . .

 

[fab69]

here in the province of treviso things are getting hurt, for almost all manufacturing companies, and chain now for the various services. professional sales will begin soon, because by December will end the cigs for many workers. . .
even in the company from me now the "ferie" are long... and to the saving, since the danè that passes the case is not a great, though better than nothing.. .

 

[myface]

I have found a prosperous thread in the field of machinery for the food industry, especially in new technologies for precooked foods.
for the rest you navigate to view.. .

 

[b243970]

I say this crisis can't pass. if the average cost of renting a ship portacontainer and 1% of what was 2 years ago is because the whole world is still...ok maybe the business of the components that were in the Ciociaro hinterland had a convulsion.. It doesn't mean he's going through the crisis...andinstein says well that the crisis is going to improve. Not when it's a wanted crisis. .programmed and perpetrated. ..unfortunately those of 29 are all dead and we have little time to reread how it went.

 

[davide75]

I'll know what death to die tomorrow! ! !
return to work, after 35 days of forced holidays (we also asked for the case), tomorrow morning and I will know only tomorrow if the day after return to work or stay at home in cash. in my machine tool industry in the last 3 months, August included, nothing moved!!! I hope that tomorrow there are some news because if not I see it really bad.... .